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The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

Netflix doesn’t do it because they want to. They do it because it’s part of the licensing agreements they sign to get content.

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Post by stefan_ »

admax88qqq wrote: post #69
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

Full stack protection from decoder the screen is coming. IIRC you can only play 4k Netflix on a smart TV which controls the entire stack from network to pixels

You know we had that, they called it HDCP. It continues to frustrate users of beamers and what not today, despite the root key being leaked for many years now. Even before the key leak, it never did anything to stop shows appearing as torrents on day one. It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by lycos »

reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

I also wonder that about any audio/video DRM, but like most things it's probably something that is agreed upon in the many licenses that they'll protect the copyrighted material to their best ability. Even though everybody knows it's pointless and even ends up being a nuisance for some legit use cases like this story.

Just reminds me of years ago when building websites for clients they always wanted me to block right clicks and put a transparent image over a jpeg so people can't right click/save even though I told them it does nothing against people who want to copy the image. "But it's a bigger hurdle to do so!" well, not really.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by mikojan »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #48

> The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU. To be precise it is "The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU using glibc." In other words, even though I have x86_64 cpu, since I'm on alpine, I'm fucked anyway.

Can't you just install glibc compat?

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by gorbypark »

erksa wrote: post #34

Anyone know if Asahi Linux work on the MBAir M2 as a casual driver on the go?

It does indeed! Even the alpha GPU drivers work. Not working: speakers, power management isn't ideal and I don't believe Thunderbolt works, although I haven't tried. I'm not sure what a casual driver on the go is..

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Post by [deleted] »

reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by toyg »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #24
aidenn0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of freedom of using compute devices, RMS has a point. In terms of freedom of using media, I'm less annoyed by Spotify or Netflix than I am by "purchases" of media that have DRM. It's clear that one is renting with the streaming services, but Amazon can revoke permission for me to read books I have purchased or Valve can revoke permission for me to play games I have purchased, we are truly living in a dystopi…

Instead of “buy”, they should be labeled “rentals - as long as provider exists or chooses to give you access”.

"Leases"? If contract is terminated, goods go back to the owner.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by toyg »

wilg wrote: post #70
go_elmo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

getting what you want fast. It is literally that easy & netflix messes it up with being nondeterministic and screaming at me trailers I've never asked for. My autistic self is o.u.t.

Netflix is designed this way because most of the time people don’t know what they want. So it’s a browse, not a search, interface. But it has search so I don’t really understand why it’s a problem to see things you don’t care about for a second before searching.

Because the search is pretty bad too, even when you know what you want and you're sure it's there.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Aissen »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #71
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

Netflix doesn’t do it because they want to. They do it because it’s part of the licensing agreements they sign to get content.

If it was the whole story, they'd put their own content (the rare ones for which they have 100% of the rights) with no DRM and the maximum resolution. But they don't do that.

In some cases you might get 720p (Netflix content) instead of 540p (third party) with widevine L3.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by d4mi3n »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #71
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

Netflix doesn’t do it because they want to. They do it because it’s part of the licensing agreements they sign to get content.

Bingo. Netflix doesn't own the majority of the content it streams and wouldn't be able to have the catalog they have (which could be better) without providing guarantees to the rights holders of said media.

This is also why streaming video catalogs in Netflix and other providers can be anemic at times—even assuming nothing is exclusively licensed elsewhere, it's cost-prohibitive for Netflix to license all the media out there. Instead, they license popular stuff and use the rest of their licensing budget to rotate in/out a selection of less popular content.

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