I really wish they sent an email about it. In my account settings, the option "Receive Product Updates" is turned on and in my opinion updating pricing counts as a (huge) product update. If I hadn't found this HN post, I wouldn't have been informed about any changes.
Update to Kagi Search Pricing
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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#72I thought people hate subscription model, yet there are enough people willing to pay a monthly fee for search that is only marginally better than free product? I'm really confused. At least Adobe products etc. are actually miles ahead of alternatives.
And it is much better than Google Search. I don't get bombarded with ads and the results are actually relevant. Google is noticeably worse for me unless I'm searching info on local businesses.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#73I really wish they sent an email about it. In my account settings, the option "Receive Product Updates" is turned on and in my opinion updating pricing counts as a (huge) product update. If I hadn't found this HN post, I wouldn't have been informed about any changes.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the most likely way they'll do that is through selling search history/data No? Google, the largest search engine, doesn't monetize by selling search history/data. I would hazard a guess that not a single free search engine monetizes by selling search history/data. Selling ads is extremely and literally different from selling search history/data.
> Google, the largest search engine, doesn't monetize by selling search history/data. Google, the owner of the largest ad network in the world, does not make money from your searches? Are you trolling or completely misinformed?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the most likely way they'll do that is through selling search history/data No? Google, the largest search engine, doesn't monetize by selling search history/data. I would hazard a guess that not a single free search engine monetizes by selling search history/data. Selling ads is extremely and literally different from selling search history/data.
> Google, the largest search engine, doesn't monetize by selling search history/data. Google, the owner of the largest ad network in the world, does not make money from your searches? Are you trolling or completely misinformed?
IMO it's a moot point.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#78Kagi is a bit of a HN darling so I know I'm putting my neck out here, but even after trying the trial, I'm not sure what the value prop is. I would happily pay for a search engine that provided good results, but seeing as it's ostensibly Just Bing under the hood, I'm not sure what I get that I'm not getting from DDG or MetaGer + an ad blocker. Kagi doesn't strike me as a privacy alternative given that all my searches…
I used to use DDG, but the search results were so bad that I had to !g all the time. With Kagi, the results (which are mixed from various services, not just Bing) are actively superior to Google (so much less spam!) almost all the time, and the only Google search service I still use regularly is Maps. That said, while I've been happily paying $10/mo for the pro plan for a while, I'm not convinced the 1000 searches/mo…
Their raise feature is nice, but always finding stack overflow (because I raised it) on top of ACTUAL documentation for a specific topic kinda ruins it.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#79I haven't followed along that closely, but I dropped by their discord every once in a while, and from the discussions I saw I felt Kagi was as open as they could be, trying to communicate the upcoming change(s), why they are necessary, getting user input, changing their plans accordingly, etc.
So, maybe my expectations where already 'anchored', but I find those changes very reasonable, and only if you compare it with 'free' is it expensive. But as we all know, 'free' doesn't necessarily mean no money is involved, just who pays directly and who pays indirectly. I'd guess the 'actual' cost is close to the same in both cases, minus some scaling that Google can do and Kagi can't. I'm willing to pay for 'unscaled', personally.
I've been using Kagi for about a year now, averaging between 700 and 1200 searches per month, so none of the proposed plans would break the bank, compared to what I've been paying so far. Tempting to choose the legacy plan for a year, but I'll probably just go for the 'ultimate' one, the yearly plan, to support a service I really really don't want to go away.
During the time I've been using Kagi, I hardly noticed it. Which I think is brilliant. There was no annoyance, in probably 90% of my searches I don't even have to scroll and one of the first 5 results is what I'm looking for. No ads, at all. In my calculations, that are at least 700 interactions with software that are fast and to the point, with very little chance to annoy me, reliably, every month. And those interactions are very important for me to do my job. I value the time and piece of mind that are connected to those 700-1200 interactions.
So -- as a professional -- to me this is worth $25 a month, easily. I dislike subscriptions as much as the next person, but to me it seems obvious that the context matters here: if it's for a software, then I really want the option to pay for a permanent license, and I think it's fair to pay for (major) upgrades if I want them. Companies that lock you into their product and you can't use the data you created with it anymore -- unless you keep paying -- are acting morally reprehensible in my view.
But on the other hand, if the service that is provided has a considerable cost for every user-interaction, then, well, 'pay-per-view' is justified. If I use it more, then I have to pay more. I don't want companies to make a loss because I'm using their service, esp. if I like their service. And I even want them to make a healthy surplus. A business model where heavy users pay more and are not subsidized by low-volume users seems like a good thing to me.
If a search costs them, say, $0.02, then I'm happy to pay $0.04 for it, it is what it is. Of course I'd want them to be efficient, and save as much cost as one can reasonably expect (maybe some of my searches could be answered from my personal cache?), but from what I see, kagi hasn't been buying villas and yachts from my money so far, and I don't think they'll be able to in the near future with their new pricing structure.
What kagi was doing here ticks all of my boxes, I don't think they have been 'baiting & switching' me, and I trust their reasoning and calculations unless someone has good evidence that shows I shouldn't.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#80I really wish they sent an email about it. In my account settings, the option "Receive Product Updates" is turned on and in my opinion updating pricing counts as a (huge) product update. If I hadn't found this HN post, I wouldn't have been informed about any changes.