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Just like when Google performed the classic embrace-extend-extinguish maneuver against GOPHER.
Huh? Gopher was dead before google existed.
google has done a lot of stuff I don't agree with, we don't need to make stuff up!
Google Groups has survived 22 years. How many self-hosted Discourse forums can say the same? If you're working on a new, small side-project like a new formal evaluator, are you going to want to spend your limited administrative bandwidth onboarding new contributors, responding to feature suggestions, talking to users, etc, or are you going to want to spend it trying to wrangle self-hosted forum administration and fig…
AtariAge.com[1] - first created in 1988, or 25 years ago. Run by some bloke on the internet. The problem for Google Groups is that no-one can perf-farm it any more, which is the sole reason for projects to survive at Google... 1: https://atariage.com/about.php
Google Groups performed the classic embrace-extend-extinguish maneuver against USENET, by way of their acquisition of DejaNews and then implementing their own forum/mailing list interface on top if it. But, I wonder how many communities that are using Google Groups would be suitably served by falling back to USENET. I suppose it would require some updates to both NNTP server software to be easier to administer (if yo…
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As a result, users searching for news, forums and sites with people writing about X, from then on would instead find mostly companies selling that X.
Google Groups has survived 22 years. How many self-hosted Discourse forums can say the same? If you're working on a new, small side-project like a new formal evaluator, are you going to want to spend your limited administrative bandwidth onboarding new contributors, responding to feature suggestions, talking to users, etc, or are you going to want to spend it trying to wrangle self-hosted forum administration and fig…
Absolutely not. Which is why it's distressing that Google Groups seems to be getting less reliable as a listserv, I don't want to do it myself.
What's really crazy to me is that I'm on a local Google Group for the cycling community in the city I'm in. I somewhat regularly fish stuff out of my Gmail spam folder that went from Someone's personal gmail account -> Google Group -> My Gmail account. The message never left Google's infrastructure, and it's still being flagged as spam! They should have a lot of insight into those messages and be able to ascertain th…
It may be impossible to imagine now, but a similarly craptaculous outcome for GitHub should not be ruled out. Back when SourceForge was revered as the be-all, end-all of open source development, few could imagine a future in which the service just kept getting worse and worse.
As someone who uses a "real" usenet site and reader, cannot wait until google groups is gone. One of the many issues is "comp.lang.c++" items from google is being sent to "comp.lang.c" because a change google made cannot handle the "++". The sad thing is we may loose the history that came from dejanews, I was one of the many people who were very upset when dejanews was bought by google. No surprise it morphed into th…
"The sad thing is we may loose the history that came from dejanews ..." What is the status of usenet archives and backups, circa 2023 ? I've mentioned this before and will mention it again now: I am very enthusiastic about preserving usenet/fidonet archives and will contribute cash money as well as free rsync.net storage to any serious endeavors in that realm.
A couple of years ago there was a bunch of excitement around[2] (discussion[3]), but looks like it's been taken off the internet archive due to legal challenges trying to get some material removed from it. Lots of copies out there if you search for UTZOO Wiseman Usenet Archive, though.
[1] https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical
[2] https://archive.org/details/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive
As an outsider, why wouldn't anyone just migrate this to Slack/Discord/etc?
Google Groups performed the classic embrace-extend-extinguish maneuver against USENET, by way of their acquisition of DejaNews and then implementing their own forum/mailing list interface on top if it. But, I wonder how many communities that are using Google Groups would be suitably served by falling back to USENET. I suppose it would require some updates to both NNTP server software to be easier to administer (if yo…
The problem with USENET is spam. Moderation can be a burden. I suppose Google has some systems in place to mitigate this.
The big surprise is that NNTP servers are still running, and that there are active newsgroups. With a bit of care I still think NNTP could be a nice base for new localized social networks. Just in the small "town" where I live there are a number of Facebook groups, those could just as easily have been newsgroups.
Usenet currently isn't in a great state, and had it not been for piracy it would have looked even worse.
Google Groups has survived 22 years. How many self-hosted Discourse forums can say the same? If you're working on a new, small side-project like a new formal evaluator, are you going to want to spend your limited administrative bandwidth onboarding new contributors, responding to feature suggestions, talking to users, etc, or are you going to want to spend it trying to wrangle self-hosted forum administration and fig…
I co-admin a large group that had to find a new home when it was killed off. We went to a third party (groups.io) that accepts money in exchange for services.
Will that have longevity? No idea, but it's at least preferable to trusting [insert big tech co]'s benevolence in keeping a service (that they seemingly don't care about) running.