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Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by pimlottc »

kshacker wrote: post #50
nkrisc wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think a major issue is that people don't want to even check how to unsubscribe and they see the “mark as spam” button as a “just make this go away” button. You can thank unscrupulous actors for this. I get so much spam I’m not going to try to figure out what is actually spam or not, nor am I going to risk clicking “unsubscribe” links in emails I assume are malicious spam anyway. If it looks automated and I don’t…

I do this. And what would help (hey google) is if gmail would remember I requested an unsubscribe and then offer to mark as spam 72 after my request to unsubscribe. As of now, I need to remember who all I tried to unsubscribe and when I get their email 3 days, 3 weeks or 3 months later, I don't want to remember my unsubscribe list.

I created an “unsubscribed” label for this. I haven’t bothered to automate the rest of the steps you describe but I’m sure it could be done.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by spmurrayzzz »

justin_oaks wrote: post #19

I thought this article would go into more than a handful of apps. What apps do you think work well for self-hosting, even if it limited to us tech folk? I've self-hosted Grafana and InfluxDB for monitoring and metrics and found them OK to self host. The authentication and TLS setups were the most annoying. I've self hosted a few kinds of wiki software, but I eventually settled on a combination of a single Tiddlywiki…

> What apps do you think work well for self-hosting, even if it limited to us tech folk?

At least once per month I check out https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted to see what folks have been adding.

One of my favorites from that list is Focalboard. I used to use a combination of Todoist, Trello, and Notion, but found that moving to FB helped me collapse that all into one tool. The open source and self-hosted aspects were a big bonus, of course.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by triyambakam »

stonewall wrote: post #68

I self-host literally everything (email, calendar/contacts, VOIP, XMPP, you name it) from by basement with used 1U servers from eBay and a cable internet connection. It was probably more hassle than most people would want to bother with to get it set up. But, with everything up and running, there's very little maintenance. I probably spend a few hours a month tinkering still, just because I enjoy it. I use a stack of…

Very inspiring and thank you for sharing. I run GrapheneOS too but I haven't set anything up like a Wireguard VPN. What is the rough idea of how that works?

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by triyambakam »

fabianhjr wrote: post #43

Its better to design, implement, and use local-first software: https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/

Very cool, and interesting that Martin Kleppmann of DDIA is an author. I am glad to come across this - I was brainstorming such a manifesto, now I can use this as a resource.

One local first that I recently switched to is migrating from ynab.com to my own Libre Calc spreadsheets. It took a few days to figure out all the formulas, but now I have even more control over how I track my budget.

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Post by Izkata »

dijit wrote: post #67
AviationAtom wrote: post #61

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Call me crazy, but for a problem folks seem to imply has had everything, including the the kitchen sink thrown at it... why do I have yet to see a single email that has the unsubscribe button at the very top, front and center, the absolute first thing I see?

It is. It literally is. Whenever gmail, thunderbird or office365 outlook notices a working unsubscribe link in a message, it puts its own unsubscribe link at the top of the message, right next to the address of the sender's email. I’m sure you mean the content of the email, but we dont reach out to double opt-in users or transactional emails with an unsubscribe link, since you chose to be there. The unsubscribe link…

I remember seeing that in Gmail years ago, but haven't seen it in a long time. I thought they removed the feature.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by triyambakam »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #47
fabianhjr wrote: post #43

Its better to design, implement, and use local-first software: https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/

I'm developing such an app. I'm excited to get to the network connectivity part so I can see how much I've saved by making the client smart. I think I'm going to be able to get away with just running the server for 36 minutes a day (three minutes every hour). The client will know to sync data during those time windows. 1hr of latency is fine for a lot of things if the client is smart about what it caches.

What is the app?

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by dijit »

nkrisc wrote: post #48
dijit wrote: post #15

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Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

> I think a major issue is that people don't want to even check how to unsubscribe and they see the “mark as spam” button as a “just make this go away” button. You can thank unscrupulous actors for this. I get so much spam I’m not going to try to figure out what is actually spam or not, nor am I going to risk clicking “unsubscribe” links in emails I assume are malicious spam anyway. If it looks automated and I don’t…

> Especially marketing emails. I would never knowingly sign up to receive a marketing email

thats fair, some people do it for the promise of getting some deals, something we actually delivered on often as when we wanted to clear the warehouse we sent discount/clearance emails to the signed up users rather than putting it on the site.

We used to also trial “own produced” products at discounted rates for people as a sort of beta test.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by satvikpendem »

I posted about this before but I would recommend Coolify for self hosting applications, it's an open source Heroku alternative that has one-click installation of services like Plausible, NextCloud etc. It works with Herokuish buildpacks as well as Docker + Docker Compose (with Kubernetes support coming soon).

I personally use a $5 Hetzner server in Northern Virginia which works great, cheaper and faster than the equivalent in DigitalOcean.

https://coolify.io

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by the_af »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #45
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

People who mark things as junk mail or spam typically have no idea that this action can have an upstream impact on spam filtering algorithms. They typically have no idea how any of this stuff works and just assume that the purpose of marking something is spam is to prevent them from seeing any more of it, personally, in the future. It doesn't occur to them that their preference thus exerts a small influence over the…

I disagree with your modern definition. Spam to me is unsolicited commercial emails. All email "ads" are spam. Newsletters I didn't subscribe to are spam. Anything trying to sell me something I didn't subscribe to is spam.

You bet I'm going to mark it as spam and I hope it creates trouble for the sender.

PS: I assume we all agree scams, "Russian singles", chain letters, "little Jessica is 4 and dying of cancer", etc, are all spam. That's a shared common ground.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by novok »

stonewall wrote: post #68

I self-host literally everything (email, calendar/contacts, VOIP, XMPP, you name it) from by basement with used 1U servers from eBay and a cable internet connection. It was probably more hassle than most people would want to bother with to get it set up. But, with everything up and running, there's very little maintenance. I probably spend a few hours a month tinkering still, just because I enjoy it. I use a stack of…

How much power does it take? I've realized with some services it's cheaper to use it than the electricity and hardware cost.
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