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Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by piqi »

pphysch wrote: post #67
piqi wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Tor Project is primarily funded by the State Department and DARPA. Make of that as you will. PBS is funded by the US government. Make of that as you will.

What is your point? PBS indeed puts out blatant USG propaganda from time to time, including egregious instances like that al-Jolani hagiography from FRONTLINE . FRONTLINE in general is a total mess of misinformation when it comes to international issues.

> What is your point?

I could ask the same of your original comment. Seems you like hand-waving at grants, and letting the reader come to a conclusion as a way of suggesting there's something nefarious happening. You don't like it when it's used elsewhere.

Typical divisive comment to stir the pot. It could even suggest you are being paid by an enemy of the US to disrupt or discourage/encourage discussion on particular topics. Of course, I'll use your tactic, and not provide any further information on this. I'll leave it up to the reader to wonder.

> blatant USG propaganda

All in the eye of the beholder. Which was your goal of your ambiguous hand-waving.

Roads and bridges were funded by the US government. Really makes you think, huh?!

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by pphysch »

piqi wrote: post #71
pphysch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your point? PBS indeed puts out blatant USG propaganda from time to time, including egregious instances like that al-Jolani hagiography from FRONTLINE . FRONTLINE in general is a total mess of misinformation when it comes to international issues.

> What is your point? I could ask the same of your original comment. Seems you like hand-waving at grants, and letting the reader come to a conclusion as a way of suggesting there's something nefarious happening. You don't like it when it's used elsewhere. Typical divisive comment to stir the pot. It could even suggest you are being paid by an enemy of the US to disrupt or discourage/encourage discussion on particula…

> You don't like it when it's used elsewhere.

Where did I imply that? We agree that PBS is funded by the USG. I provided additional factual context.

> Typical divisive comment to stir the pot.

Pot, meet kettle. Your comment is clearly flame-bait, loaded with strawman fallacies. I will not engage further.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by piqi »

pphysch wrote: post #72
piqi wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is your point? I could ask the same of your original comment. Seems you like hand-waving at grants, and letting the reader come to a conclusion as a way of suggesting there's something nefarious happening. You don't like it when it's used elsewhere. Typical divisive comment to stir the pot. It could even suggest you are being paid by an enemy of the US to disrupt or discourage/encourage discussion on particula…

> You don't like it when it's used elsewhere. Where did I imply that? We agree that PBS is funded by the USG. I provided additional factual context. > Typical divisive comment to stir the pot. Pot, meet kettle. Your comment is clearly flame-bait, loaded with strawman fallacies. I will not engage further.

What's your point?

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by karaterobot »

mikece wrote: post #41

I'm not a fan of this. Any chance Mullvad would offer a service plan where the money I'm paying them does NOT go to the support of Tor?

You're being downvoted presumably as a vote of support for either Mullvad or Tor, but you are allowed to have those opinions. I wish people didn't do that!

The best answer I know of is that you cannot specify spending when you pay Mullvad. There is no place on the payment form to do it, and in the future (present?) you can only pay anonymously anyway, so there's no way to get in touch with someone who could do that, even if they allowed it. I imagine they wouldn't want to offer that option anyway, because it'd be way too complicated on their end.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by notch898a »

wkat4242 wrote: post #68
notch898a wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People here are overwhelmingly against privacy when it enables criminals to hide. Almost every crypto thread is dominated by concerns about KYC and AML.

I don't think so? For example signal's decision to leave the UK if they mandate a back door was very well received here.

The dichotomy indicates that isn't the fundamental principle driving it.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by rascul »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #59
rascul wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ten years ago the US Navy invented Tor, an anonymous web browser. First release of Tor was in 2002 but it was started in the mid '90s according to Wikipedia. The Tor Browser was initially released by the Tor project, not the US Navy, in 2008. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(network)

The browser was a community project. The onion routing framework was a naval research lab thing.

> The browser was a community project.

Yes, the Tor Project as I mentioned. Or, it's theirs now, anyway. I'm not sure if the original creator was affiliated with the Tor Project at the time. But it wasn't the Navy.

> The onion routing framework was a naval research lab thing.

I didn't mean to dispute that, but after reading my comment I wasn't clear. It was a few years after the Navy released it that the Tor Project became an official entity. I was mostly disputing the erroneous statement that the US Navy released the Tor Browser 10 years ago.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

notch898a wrote: post #75
wkat4242 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so? For example signal's decision to leave the UK if they mandate a back door was very well received here.

The dichotomy indicates that isn't the fundamental principle driving it.

Or, possibly, that there is more than one person on HN, and some people might have slightly different opinions.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Zetice wrote: post #28
jfk13 wrote: post #23

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> I’m trying to get the airline to stop giving me weird price quotes Seems understandable. > and bbc to let me stream their shows. Have you paid your license fee?

I honestly have no idea how it works, I just know I can watch taskmaster when my vpn says I’m in London.

So when you say

> Yeah I’m not trying to hide from the law

what you really mean is more like "I'm cool piracy and breaking British laws, but other than that I'm not hiding from the law"?

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