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Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by time_to_smile »

graderjs wrote: post #13

Yes that's why yoga is so good at calming you down and making you healthy. It soothes and calms the parasympathetic nervous system, and helps relieve and release many held tensions in the body. It's no good just to do meditation and calm your mind if your body and nervous system is still holding on to so much stress. The body remembers many things and "embodies" many emotions. You can notice this if you do part-by-pa…

> It's no good just to do meditation and calm your mind if your body and nervous system is still holding on to so much stress.

I just want to point out that for nearly all of its history yoga is primarily about meditation, with the asanas being preliminary, quickly covered material in most classic texts.

The Yoga Sutras of Patañjali are a good reference for anyone curious (though the sections on the siddhis is... interesting).

Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by time_to_smile »

It's remarkable how deeply ingrained in our worldview mind/body dualism is, even though I think on paper most people don't accept this as an axiom.

If anxiety is not created by the body where does it originate from? extra terrestrial beings? the immortal soul? purely in our surrounding environment?

All of these (except the third option) require pretty impressive assumptions to even be a workable hypothesis.

Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by memco »

JohnBooty wrote: post #20

I didn't even know that this was a matter of debate. I had moderately serious heart problem (atrial murmur, sort of the less-serious cousin of afib/atrial fibrilation) and it was extremely clear to me that whatever was happening in my chest was also directly spiking my feelings of anxiety. To be clear, I mean a direct heart->anxiety link, as opposed to "I'm thinking about my heart problem and therefore my anxiety is…

Indeed! There's so much overlap between the symptoms of chronic kidney disease[0] and anxiety[1] it would be difficult to know which is which.

[0]: https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/kidney-disease/... [1]: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/anxiety-disorders

Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by pazimzadeh »

jedberg wrote: post #12
kerowak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure what your objection is. The article pretty clearly qualifies its assertions that this phenomenon is observed in mice. Are you saying there is no possible way that these results could be recapitulated in humans?

I'm saying that we see article after article about breakthrough findings in mice, only to find out later that it doesn't apply to humans, and therefore findings in mice aren't particularly interesting news.

Except when they do apply to humans. For example, intracellular bacterial communities formed by uropathogenic E. coli were observed in mice before humans.

Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnBooty wrote: post #20

I didn't even know that this was a matter of debate. I had moderately serious heart problem (atrial murmur, sort of the less-serious cousin of afib/atrial fibrilation) and it was extremely clear to me that whatever was happening in my chest was also directly spiking my feelings of anxiety. To be clear, I mean a direct heart->anxiety link, as opposed to "I'm thinking about my heart problem and therefore my anxiety is…

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Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by withinboredom »

JohnBooty wrote: post #20

I didn't even know that this was a matter of debate. I had moderately serious heart problem (atrial murmur, sort of the less-serious cousin of afib/atrial fibrilation) and it was extremely clear to me that whatever was happening in my chest was also directly spiking my feelings of anxiety. To be clear, I mean a direct heart->anxiety link, as opposed to "I'm thinking about my heart problem and therefore my anxiety is…

EXACT same situation. I’ll never forget the time I felt a murmur and several seconds later I was panicking. This was before I was diagnosed so I legitimately thought I was having a heart attack. I wasn’t even worried about the murmur, in between those seconds I was thinking “huh, that was weird.” And then wam, slammed with adrenaline. I had never even had panic attacks before…

I went to the doc, and he recognized the symptoms as a panic attack. I told the doc “no, you’re not listening. I have zero anxiety in my life right now.” Several dozen attacks later and a doctor that didn’t try to gaslight me into having an anxiety disorder, we found the heart problem.

Fun times.

Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by [deleted] »

mrtesthah wrote: post #58
graderjs wrote: post #13

Yes that's why yoga is so good at calming you down and making you healthy. It soothes and calms the parasympathetic nervous system, and helps relieve and release many held tensions in the body. It's no good just to do meditation and calm your mind if your body and nervous system is still holding on to so much stress. The body remembers many things and "embodies" many emotions. You can notice this if you do part-by-pa…

That’s actually not what the paper is saying. It’s only comparing heart rate changes to anxiety.

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Re: Anxiety can be created by the body, mouse heart study suggests

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Post by thenerdhead »

I just finished reading a book by John Sarno M.D. that talks about this connection.

I was always under the impression that it is a two way street. Just that modern science doesn’t want to accept that emotions cause bodily problems and vice versa. If anxiety can be created, perhaps anger can too.

Here’s an old study about escaping stressors leading to tumor rejection in mice:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7200261/

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