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Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rather than admit our economy no longer works What do you mean our economy no longer works?

everyone is exorbitantly indebted to everyone. At some point, someone has to put some reality back into the simulacrum because simulacrum does not feed your family

> everyone is exorbitantly indebted to everyone

Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded?

> At some point, someone has to put some reality back into the simulacrum because simulacrum does not feed your family

Aren’t poverty, famine, and food scarcity at record lows?

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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post #70

Presumably the right-most data point is from yesterday (3/1/23). Isn't there a potential flaw here in regards to that most recent data point? Whereas in previous months people had all month to post jobs to the monthly job posting thread, there has only been one day since the 3/1/23 job post thread was started. I think this script should be run on the last day of the month, not the first.

Yes, you're right. However, the trend during the last months is very clear.

From January though February (the last month with complete data) the trend was up.

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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post #38

Is this downturn affecting all regions at the moment or mostly just USA? I wonder how the overall HN comments are trending.. More people with free time to waste on HN or less people with a reason to slack off and waste time on HN..

At least in Germany, I'm not seeing any signs for a major downturn in IT. At least on the hiring side, it actually seems to be even harder to fill mid-to-senior technical roles than last year at this time, and it wasn't exactly easy then either. Hearing similar takes from several companies, all of them still on hiring sprees.

How much of that is due to salary expectations?

I think there's plenty of people that have got used to an inflated salary, so offering "local market rate" won't cut it.

Time will tell if the global downturn will lead to reverting to norm (especially as a lot of companies seem to be moving away from fully remote).

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks to me like, in the US, the downturn is limited to a specific subset of the tech space. Mostly the SV-style companies. The larger tech space, at least in the software engineering segment, appears to be largely unaffected. They even seem to be hiring at the same rate as normal.

Anecdote: I work for a mid-size (~5000 employees) non-SV software company (heavily focused on a particular industry). We have been steadily laying people off quietly. But almost no software engineers. At this point it's the usual -- QA, project managers, enterprise architects, things like that. Management likes to pretend they're basically useless, they're somewhat expensive, and it looks like an easy win to cut that…

My theory around this is that they don't want to give competitors an edge or allow room for devs to go build a competing product.

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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This trues up with what I'm anecdotally seeing in my clients. RTO-3 days or even RTO-5 days is being pushed aggressively in some of them, and the general feeling amongst their rank and file is it is a stealth layoff (no severance for those leaving due to the policy switch is a big financial incentive for the companies). A big challenge I'm not seeing really addressed though is a lot of staff at my clients stepped up…

How are the big companies going to justify any effort they put against climate change? Sounds stupid but forced return to office will also do enormous damage to the environment

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Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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This trues up with what I'm anecdotally seeing in my clients. RTO-3 days or even RTO-5 days is being pushed aggressively in some of them, and the general feeling amongst their rank and file is it is a stealth layoff (no severance for those leaving due to the policy switch is a big financial incentive for the companies). A big challenge I'm not seeing really addressed though is a lot of staff at my clients stepped up…

How are the big companies going to justify any effort they put against climate change? Sounds stupid but forced return to office will also do enormous damage to the environment

They will just put out more PR.

Probably write it on the way to Davos in their private jet for the climate conference they'll issue it at.

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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post #15

I am defiantly feeling it from the number of recruiters emailing me about various opportunities. It's nice because I'm never interested in any of these jobs. I always find my next job through my network anyways.

Anecdotally, recruiter emails are back for me after a ~6 month lull. I'm not sure if it's a hopeful sign that both the bubble and the backlash are behind us and things are normalizing, or a bad sign that the over-hiring lesson hasn't been learned and there is more pain yet to come.

Re: The tech downturn seen through Hacker News comments

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That's a nice way to visualize it. To me the best way to check the market conditions is to check your LinkedIn inbox. The number of recrutiers spamming with job offers has gone way down. I even had a situation where the recruiter who was supposed to hire me, got laid off during my final interview alongiside a big chunk of the company...

I've actually had the opposite start happening this week, although that could just be a random blip. For a while I was only getting one or two per week, this week I've already had five.

Yep just wrote another comment about this; same thing for me, starting to get more pings again in the last few weeks after a 6-month lull.
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