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Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Cloud tops are quite good. I’ve enjoyed using them. Run a mbp as your carry around, and then everything else runs on an overbuilt server vm with a direct connection to shared storage. I’m able to sync to head + rebuild 100k+ files in < 5 mins

What's the audio latency? I've found remote desktop to be a bad experience as a blind developer. At a prior job we used thin clients which had decent audio performance from my desk in the office. Once Covid hit and we had to connect from home audio latency was awful and it took me an act of god to get a corporate provided laptop.

You probably didn't work for a company that has a global network that is capable of running Youtube levels of traffic around the planet with the latency requirements of Google Ads.

I used to consult, and got at one point hired to explain to higher management, at a small but important "regulatory" government department, why 256kbps ADSL sucked for rdesktop (which was on a private ATM channel from the incumbent telco, very expensive, and also very bad, it was still ADSL over an ATM backbone, in 2005, supposedly it was more secure ...). Note 256kbps = 32 KB/sec. I'm not sure how much they paid, but the page describing the product at the telco said to call to make an appointment for sales to visit you to get some pricing info. Oh, and the backend connection for this had to be done in duplicate, with endpoints in 2 different countries. I'm pretty sure just the backend connections cost a decent house a month at minimum.

Needless to say, over 32 KB/sec, rdesktop is pretty much unusable. Not that said incumbent telco actually delivered 32 KB/sec, merely because they paid through the nose.

So I wrote a 40 page document, written in 12 days, for a just-barely-not-6-figure-bill. They had an excellent restaurant. Steak for 4 euro, and every week a different theme. Even the spaghetti bolognaise was excellent. Didn't do anything for the rest of 2 months, going in several times with my access badge just for the restaurant (to "discuss followup"). This went very slowly because of the top 3 levels of management, who had to approve everything, 2 were government appointed positions. These people never even came in because their performance and future at the company was only tied to their party's performance in elections, which had absolutely nothing to do with what this department was regulating.

Google can probably provide incredible remote desktops. Small companies can't, due to cost (not of the connection, hardware cost. Remote desktops, to be good, need to be machines running large VMs. That means modern i9s with 64G of ram MINIMUM). I'm not sure what Google uses, but ... Large companies and government can't, due to "best practices" preventing timely upgrades. This happens because they require everything be explained, risk-assessed, verified by external consultants, signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Clickbait title because arstechnica is a garbage publication. Employees are expected to work 2 days a week out of the office, and will swap the desk with another employee. They will not sit at the same desk at the same time. Doing anything less is wasteful, and if Google was doing this before it was robbing investors.

> arstechnica is a garbage publication. 100% this. I think they were good about 10 years ago. Now they are just garbage

Why tho? They still deliver great on topics in a tone and depth not many do (eg. popular science). I do agree their comment section became comprised of bitter 50+ people.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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> Google has an internal-only virtual desktop tool for thin clients called "CloudTop" that it would like employees to transition to This is the end. All thin client/remote desktop solutions that I have used are laggy enough to piss off a programmer, while fast enough to fool a manager. It's the perfect killing blow to productivity and morale.

Latency nowadays isn’t bad or even noticeable.

I worked for a company during Covid where I had to remotely connect to a Windows machine, and from there, connect to a Linux machine.

The only issue I had was keyboard mapping, specially because I was using a macbook. I had to remap a few keys, but even then, a few hotkeys didn’t work.

It’s not perfect, but it’s getting better and I can see many companies will force us all to this in 10 years time.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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This makes sense though. If people aren’t coming in 5 days a week, why should they have dedicated spaces for 5 days?

We have a hoteling system which works pretty well. You get lockers you can place things you don’t want to carry each time in (KB/Mouse/Pen stand/cables/etc for me) and before I come to the office I reserve a desk and plug in my laptop into the docking station and I have my whole setup ready (well in my case I also need to plug in my Keyboard and mouse, but for most people thars all they need).

I preferred my dedicated space with all my stuff, but when no one’s coming in 5 days a week the lack of a dedicated space makes complete sense.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Clickbait title because arstechnica is a garbage publication. Employees are expected to work 2 days a week out of the office, and will swap the desk with another employee. They will not sit at the same desk at the same time. Doing anything less is wasteful, and if Google was doing this before it was robbing investors.

> arstechnica is a garbage publication. 100% this. I think they were good about 10 years ago. Now they are just garbage

They’re pretty good.

The problem is that the clickbaity stuff becomes viral.

Which is why the clickbaity stuff exists.

The real issue is that readers like you and me are garbage and reward publications for the garbage they write. The good stuff won’t even get a fraction of the views.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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This makes sense though. If people aren’t coming in 5 days a week, why should they have dedicated spaces for 5 days? We have a hoteling system which works pretty well. You get lockers you can place things you don’t want to carry each time in (KB/Mouse/Pen stand/cables/etc for me) and before I come to the office I reserve a desk and plug in my laptop into the docking station and I have my whole setup ready (well in my…

Agree. It goes against my grain to seem in support of anything FANG companies do, but this is just a logical extension of the WFH trend. One of the reasons it will stay is that it enables corps to save on office space, and Google is simply ahead of the curve: the businesses that realize this cost saving effect first will have an advantage. Most employees will likely see the small discomfort as a fair price to pay for being able to work from home many/most days. (Not counting the vocal minority that seem to love commuting, office work, mingling and watercooler chatting).

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"Hot desk" aren't new, but not something from the calibre of Google.

It's not 2010 anymore. Google sucks to work at if you're a talented engineer that actually wants to do impactful things. In fairness I should specify that there are a few teams at Google that do amazing things but the vast majority of the employees are just cogs in a vast machine. This article sums it up: https://medium.com/@pravse/the-maze-is-in-the-mouse-980c57cf...

Is there a new best place to go?

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Google has been getting steadily stingier with personal space for a long time. My last job there was at Crittenden, and the desks were next to each other with no dividers whatsoever. That was the worst of my twelve or so locations, by far. But this really takes the prize. Personal story: in the 1980's I had about a half hour interview with Eric Schmidt, at Sun (yes, that Eric Schmidt). The one thing I remember is, he…

> if you looked at the cost for private offices vs. cubicles, they were about the same, and that must be the case because the market will equilibrate ... How? That is, through what mechanism?

I could explain what I think he meant, but it's more fun to watch everyone else "explain" it.

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I honestly hate open offices so much. I'm constantly amazed any work gets done with the layout.

I despise them. I'm convinced that they became "cool" purely for two reasons: 1.) Bosses loved the feeling of superiority they had by having their own office but everyone else is sitting out in the open where they can easily see them all and bother them at a moment's notice. 2.) Fresh out of college grads would see them and get this feeling of a cool, buzzing, hypersocial hive that made them feel all good inside.

The first time I was introduced to a massive open office space, they tried to play it off as exciting and it just filled me with an utter sense of dread. It caused a massive amount of stress then my brain compartmentalized it all and ran the stress subroutine in the background. Blaring bright lights overhead, endless chatting and movement in your perpipheral view, witn an absolute requirement to wear isolation headphones to get any concentration. Tech can be utterly barbaric.
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