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DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by tankerkiller125 »

knicholes wrote: post #69
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

That's because they switched to a subscription model and are practically forcing companies to switch from their legacy perpetual licensing model. I can assure you that it's pissing a lot of people off and a lot of people are trying to find alternatives.

Where I work we dropped Adobe Pro because of the subscription model and switched over to FoxIT

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by cmdialog »

tankerkiller125 wrote: post #71
knicholes wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

That's because they switched to a subscription model and are practically forcing companies to switch from their legacy perpetual licensing model. I can assure you that it's pissing a lot of people off and a lot of people are trying to find alternatives. Where I work we dropped Adobe Pro because of the subscription model and switched over to FoxIT

Not only do they have a subscription model, but if you get their biggest single user package, which is ~$54/mo, they charge you ~$300 early cancellation fee. This is insane to me and is the main reason why I personally dumped them for my professional use.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by cmdialog »

_8j50 wrote: post #49
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

> Adobe has nothing good for web design They acquired Macromedia dreamweaver back in the day and killed it. RIP to a fallen hero.

I remember when Dreamweaver was Allaire Homesite, and was then purchased by Macromedia for their suite. Macromedia didn't do such a great job with it either in my opinion.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by [deleted] »

knicholes wrote: post #69
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

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Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by nasseri »

j_crick wrote: post #25
obblekk wrote: post #8

In case you ever find yourself with as much leverage as Figma seemingly had… always negotiate a break up fee to compensate for exactly this. T-Mobile famously got a $4B breakup fee after DOJ blocked ATT from acquiring them. That $4B was used to buy more spectrum and overhaul the brand, leading to huge growth to the point that T-Mobile is now a big 3 player (it used to be big 2 only). If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out…

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

and substance suite. I think people on hacker news mostly interact with adobe via photoshop and illustrator and don't realize how many hooks they have under their belt.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by cmdialog »

ido wrote: post #64
pjmlp wrote: post #62

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Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.

+1 anecdata, I've tried to get colleagues off of adobe suite for years to little success.

Adobe Suite is always going to be around, no doubt, but you also have viable alternatives for the day to day work, and then you use Adobe stuff when you have to, for a client that requires it for instance.

Prior to moving to Figma 100% of the time, my current agency, and prior agency, were using Sketch. Adobe products were secondary. Others in my field have reported largely the same. Most of the time people simply don't want to change what's familiar and works, regardless of how much they are paying or who they are paying.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by macintux »

knicholes wrote: post #69
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

BlackBerry’s best years were after the iPhone launched.

I’m not saying Adobe’s looking at a similar collapse, but trends can be misleading.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

cmdialog wrote: post #33
j_crick wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

> Procreate

Procreate is f**king amazing.

The combination of the 12-inch (or, in my case, Mini) iPad (with PaperLike screen protector), Pencil 2, and Procreate is awesome.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by conductr »

j_crick wrote: post #25
obblekk wrote: post #8

In case you ever find yourself with as much leverage as Figma seemingly had… always negotiate a break up fee to compensate for exactly this. T-Mobile famously got a $4B breakup fee after DOJ blocked ATT from acquiring them. That $4B was used to buy more spectrum and overhaul the brand, leading to huge growth to the point that T-Mobile is now a big 3 player (it used to be big 2 only). If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out…

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

Not all at once but it’s a nice catalyst to start building revenue streams and stealing share product by product
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