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Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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So Y.T.'s mom has clacked up the stairs in her black pumps and gone into her office, actually a large room with computer workstations placed across it in a grid. Used to be divided up by partitions, but the EBGOC boys didn't like it, said what would happen if there had to be an evacuation? All those partitions would impede the free flow of unhinged panic. So no more partitions. Just workstations and chairs. Not even…

Dank meme to post it with only your username as the giveaway to anyone who can't recall entire paragraphs. I thought it was from Snow Crash but had to google a phrase to make sure. Then I came back here and noticed your username.

Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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Internally Google might be just fine, but optics are equally important in this industry. Before Sundar took over Google never went through bad PR. It's just an observation, not a dig at Google's affairs.

Google never went through bad PR before Sundar?

Sunday became CEO on August 10, 2015.

Google+ was launched in 2011. (And the "real name" policy was a PR disaster.)

Google Reader was shut down in 2013. (You can hardly find a PR disaster that people in the tech world complain about more.)

Google, Apple, Intel, Adobe had an anti-poaching agreement that finally got settled in 2015, but they were getting bad press before that.

"Right to be forgotten" bad press was in 2014 and before.

Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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So Y.T.'s mom has clacked up the stairs in her black pumps and gone into her office, actually a large room with computer workstations placed across it in a grid. Used to be divided up by partitions, but the EBGOC boys didn't like it, said what would happen if there had to be an evacuation? All those partitions would impede the free flow of unhinged panic. So no more partitions. Just workstations and chairs. Not even…

Snow Crash for those that don't know: https://a.co/d/fXWqXr7

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Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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When I was at Google (Kirkland), the offices were basically open-plan fishbowls. WFH was massively better. I once worked at a startup (pre-covid) that had an open-plan setup with a significant portion of people using standing desks. They provided one stool for 2 standing desks justifying it because "if you use a standing desk you should be standing most of the time". Pure cheapskate short-sightedness.

Well, that could be justified as maintaining the health of the employees by forcing one of two to stand up at any time.

That's not the employer's purview. They can incentivize health but, seriously F right off with that controlling nonsense. They're employees, not your charges or children.

Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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This move strikes me as just the worst of both worlds. First, Google tells employees they need to be in the office X days a week -- and depending on team, from what I know from friends at the Kirkland office, this was enforced.

Now, Google is saying, "actually, you still have to come in, but you need to share a desk with a stranger and coordinate with them what days you are going to come in." So goodbye flexibility. If I usually come in Monday, Tuesday and Thursday -- but I need to come in on Wednesday this week for a meeting -- I'm now SOL if my desk mate is also in the office.

Pre-pandemic, I was really opposed to hot desks because if you're making me come into the office, at least let me have my own workspace and setup. But in this situation, I feel like hot desks would be a MUCH better situation. Allow people to reserve their desk a week or even two weeks in advance for the days they'll be in the office -- you could even have it set to be auto-renewing for certain days each week -- but at least you'd have flexibility if you were needed to come into the office one day instead of another.

And personally, I would rather have a hot desk than have a consistent desk I have to share with someone else, because that's worse. It's a consistent workspace, but I can't customize it because someone else uses it too. So I can't have my own keyboard (I'm not sharing things I spend my own money on with strangers, sorry), my own monitor configuration, or the stuff I like on my desk. And unlike a hot space, I'm tied to using it only on specific days.

Right before the pandemic, Microsoft started phasing out personal offices (because of real estate taxes, pure and simple) and there was a lot of pushback and upset (totally understandable, going from a personal office to either a group of personal desks or to hot desks is not cool), but since people can still WFH, my understanding is that most people who go into the office X days a week still have a private office at the main campus (not sure about other locations, but I think most of them were more open plan).

At GitHub (where they have announced they are phasing out all offices), we can reserve a desk space before showing up to a location, which is great -- plus, people who go in to the office all the time either have a recurring reservation (and have a more customized work space) or are choose to move around.

Here's a tip to companies: if you want people to come into the office, don't make coming into the office a punishment. I'm not saying that the lavish perks of the 2010s were sustainable or even good (the whole idea was that you would never leave) -- but workspaces are fucking important and sacred. One of the best parts of Microsoft was that until 2020, nearly everyone had their own private office (maybe you shared with one other person). When they started to phase that out for tax reasons, I was annoyed. But seeing what Google is doing is just capricious and seems to go against reason.

If I were told tomorrow I'd have to go into an office two days a week (but only those two days) and sit in a specific location that I was sharing with another person and had no flexibility in that -- oh, and I would be discouraged from booking conference rooms b/c people squat in them) -- I would be beyond livid. And I say that as someone who doesn't think WFH is the holy grail and actually misses being in an office.

I get that these companies signed massive leases on offices that now no one is using. That sucks for everyone. But the solution isn't to treat that as a punitive thing for employees. If no one is using your space, get out of the lease or sublease it to other companies. Or find other incentives to get people back into the office. But this worst of both worlds stuff just isn't it.

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I'd work from a toilet stall for a Google L6 comp band I doubt any Googlers actually care about this stuff

I used to say something similar to this but then I worked at Google. It turns out I care a lot more about working on interesting problems than I do about fat checks.

Google still has interesting problems to work on? I thought they just printed money with adsense and launched projects just so they could cancel them 2 weeks later. /s

Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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So Y.T.'s mom has clacked up the stairs in her black pumps and gone into her office, actually a large room with computer workstations placed across it in a grid. Used to be divided up by partitions, but the EBGOC boys didn't like it, said what would happen if there had to be an evacuation? All those partitions would impede the free flow of unhinged panic. So no more partitions. Just workstations and chairs. Not even…

Snow Crash for those that don't know: https://a.co/d/fXWqXr7

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Re: Google asks some employees to share desks amid office downsizing

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> “Most Googlers will now share a desk with one other Googler,” the internal document stated, noting they expect employees to come in on alternate days so they're not at the same desk on the same day. “Through the matching process, they will agree on a basic desk setup and establish norms with their desk partner and teams to ensure a positive experience in the new shared environment.” If only, there was an easier sol…

What is an easier solution?

Hot desks?

A reservation system? I work for a remote optional company and employees can reserve desks ahead of time and/or you can get an assigned seat if you come in daily.

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