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Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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The issue with this argument is that it could, just as well, be used to force people to wear bubble wrap instead of clothes to avoid falls. The question is how much we're willing to sacrifice for safety. Fortunately, most people aren't willing to go as far as suggested.

The issue with this argument is that it could, just as well, be used to force people to wear bubble wrap instead of clothes No, it most certainly could not. This is just the slippery slope fallacy. Incidentally, nobody forced you to wear a mask. You always had other options. You are, however, forced to wear a seatbelt (aside from NH) and, in almost all states, a helmet while on a motorcycle. Other than a few overconf…

> No, it most certainly could not. This is just the slippery slope fallacy.

It absolutely could. This is just the "slippery slope fallacy fallacy": assuming that all slippery slope arguments are fallacious.

Another mistake you make is assuming that everybody you talk to on this site lives in the US. I can assure you that not only I was "forced" to wear a mask, in many parts of the world people lost their jobs for refusing to do so.

But I see I am talking to someone who not only believes that he is "on the right side of history", but also that the history has "the right side".

I deeply regret to say that I will not modify my way of interacting with others, especially now that we know that the pandemic is over.

I hold a strong conviction that face-to-face communication has been a successful method for thousands of years, and I am not inclined to adopt a technique of uncertain effectiveness and potential unknown consequences, solely due to the influence of a minority of individuals who suffer from health anxiety (and I don't use the word hypochondriasis as a gesture of good will here).

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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I've been saying this since the exact start of the pandemic. I already have brain issues and I simply do not want to roll the dice that are very much not in my favor. If I get covid and I live I pretty much know that the rest of my life is more fucked than it already is. But everybody's walking around the grocery store without masks on. Nobody gives to fucks about anybody else anymore. So here I am, still purposefull…

I live in Israel and only the very old people wear masks because they have compromised immune systems. It was downgraded to the cold/flu and it is no longer checked at the airport. Most of the country is vaccinated, many 'boosted' , and it I have yet to meet anyone who hasnt had COVID at least one time. I just now visited the USA and am surprised to see people still scared or concerned. It is totally over for most of…

Your comment was perfectly reasonable despite receiving downvotes. It always surprises me to see a well-reasoned comment obscured in grey, and I fail to comprehend why individuals choose to downvote it instead of engaging with it. The only way I can comprehend this behavior is to assume that these individuals feel powerless in the face of the fact that the pandemic is over and express their frustration by resorting to downvoting others.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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“Experts not involved with the study said the VA population does not reflect the general population.”

That isn’t going to change the core basic facts of how the immune system responds or slowly wears away upon repeat infections.

I’m not sure what basic facts you are talking about.

The VA population is a lot older and sicker than the general population and will contain a large number of immunodeficient individuals.

Further, the population of multiply-reinfected and symptomatic people is biased towards the immunodeficient since immunocompetent people tend not to get symptomatically reinfected.

Extrapolating the general case from these populations makes zero sense.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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It’s interesting that COVID’s symptoms, including long Covid, are entirely the human bodies own doing. It’s all inflammatory. Long Covid is at least in part a demonstration of the connection between inflammatory pathways and metabolism. Common infection have been giving people CFS forever but finally the skeptics have been forced to shut up with Covid. The solution to Covid will come through research on long Covid an…

I was wondering why you were down voted right up until the last sentence. Pretty much everything we associate with being sick is our own bodies, not the virus. Inflammation, fever, cough, runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, etc, it's all our own bodies natural defenses, not the virus. By the time we start seeing effects from the virus our bodies defenses have been overwhelmed. The conclusion from that is not the "the vi…

HIV definitely kills you. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are. Bacterial meningitis. The flu kills lots of kids. It’s just a simple fact that without metabolic dysfunction, covid is totally benign. This is an established fact recognized on both sides. People just don’t like to hear someone say that the virus doesn’t hurt you because it rubs them the wrong way politically.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

#76
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with this argument is that it could, just as well, be used to force people to wear bubble wrap instead of clothes No, it most certainly could not. This is just the slippery slope fallacy. Incidentally, nobody forced you to wear a mask. You always had other options. You are, however, forced to wear a seatbelt (aside from NH) and, in almost all states, a helmet while on a motorcycle. Other than a few overconf…

> No, it most certainly could not. This is just the slippery slope fallacy. It absolutely could. This is just the "slippery slope fallacy fallacy": assuming that all slippery slope arguments are fallacious. Another mistake you make is assuming that everybody you talk to on this site lives in the US. I can assure you that not only I was "forced" to wear a mask, in many parts of the world people lost their jobs for ref…

It absolutely could. This is just the "slippery slope fallacy fallacy": assuming that all slippery slope arguments are fallacious.

Complete nonsense. Reasonable precautions aren't a slippery slope. They never have been and they never will be, yet every time one comes up we get people screaming about it.

Another mistake you make is assuming that everybody you talk to on this site lives in the US. I can assure you that not only I was "forced" to wear a mask, in many parts of the world people lost their jobs for refusing to do so.

The vast majority do live in the US. If you choose to refuse requirements of your job, that's on you.

I am not inclined to adopt a technique of uncertain effectiveness and potential unknown consequences

You're literally afraid of change. You see something that requires adaptation and you recoil in horror, and make up a bunch of nonsense to rationalize your fearful reaction. Grow up.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering why you were down voted right up until the last sentence. Pretty much everything we associate with being sick is our own bodies, not the virus. Inflammation, fever, cough, runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, etc, it's all our own bodies natural defenses, not the virus. By the time we start seeing effects from the virus our bodies defenses have been overwhelmed. The conclusion from that is not the "the vi…

HIV definitely kills you. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are. Bacterial meningitis. The flu kills lots of kids. It’s just a simple fact that without metabolic dysfunction, covid is totally benign. This is an established fact recognized on both sides. People just don’t like to hear someone say that the virus doesn’t hurt you because it rubs them the wrong way politically.

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Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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post #74
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering why you were down voted right up until the last sentence. Pretty much everything we associate with being sick is our own bodies, not the virus. Inflammation, fever, cough, runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, etc, it's all our own bodies natural defenses, not the virus. By the time we start seeing effects from the virus our bodies defenses have been overwhelmed. The conclusion from that is not the "the vi…

HIV definitely kills you. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are. Bacterial meningitis. The flu kills lots of kids. It’s just a simple fact that without metabolic dysfunction, covid is totally benign. This is an established fact recognized on both sides. People just don’t like to hear someone say that the virus doesn’t hurt you because it rubs them the wrong way politically.

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