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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by ggreer »

rootusrootus wrote: post #29
gwbas1c wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After having a Tesla with Enhanced Autopilot for 4 years, I decided it wasn't worth the $7,000 extra and stuck with ordinary autopilot. It's just too damn glitchy to be worth thousands of dollars extra.

Hell, right now I'd pay a few bucks to disable AP so I could use the old school cruise control. I still don't understand Tesla's opposition for making that an option whether you have AP or not.

To engage traffic aware cruise control, pull the right stalk down once.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by capableweb »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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The tech might promise to save millions of lives, but if "behaves worse than a drunk teenager" is to be believed, don't you think it's best to wait a bit, if you want to save as many lives as possible?

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by baguettefurnace »

thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

This has been my experience as well - I use autopilot a lot and find it works great

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Post by micromacrofoot »

mrdatawolf wrote: post #48
helf wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

Because only a FSD car causes piles up... your right, I NEVER saw 90 car pileups on the news before FSD. /s I'm pointing this out because he said (in italics) "substantially".

It doesn't really matter, we have multiple incidents of FSD causing accidents due to outright mistakes, not even "a human would have messed up here too" situations.

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Post by elil17 »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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The "self driving" tech that works (e.g. auto braking) is deployed and has saved lives. (Self driving in quotes because it is not really the full promise of self driving.)

This Tesla AI does not work well enough in many conditions and is clearly sometimes more dangerous than humans. Just watch videos of people using it - it's obvious that is making unforgivable errors.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by rootusrootus »

DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #63
rootusrootus wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha, my new Model 3 phantom braked the first time on the trip home from the service center, which was only 10 miles. I doubt it had even gone over 10 miles on the odometer at that moment.

How were you able to put it into autopilot? Typically, the autopilot is calibrating itself the first 60 or so miles of driving, and it does not let you engage it.

Good question! It didn't argue one bit, literally drove it off the lot at the service center and hit the freeway and turned AP on (it's my second Model 3, so I already have such habits).

It's entirely possible it had more miles than 5 on the odometer when I picked it up. Officially the paperwork says 15, the associate who gave me the car said it was actually less, and the odometer isn't very prominent so I never even looked. Maybe it had 50 miles and was a reject ;). I should go check TeslaFi, since I reenabled that the day I bought the car. I confess that the only way I ever know how many miles my car has is when I see it on TeslaFi.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by adoxyz »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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The Tesla tech is not ready and is deployed haphazardly. Google and other companies are approaching self-driving in a much safer way while still having tremendous progress.

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Post by saboot »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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I'm really struck at how this comment has no consideration of the quality or accuracy of current FSD technology.

Also, public transit would do the same.

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Post by smachiz »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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I would be glad it was out there if it was aggressively marketed as a drivers assistant feature, not as a self-driving capability.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by rvnx »

apnew wrote: post #64

> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…

There are many of such tests in the open.

There is even a former Tesla AI engineer that throws objects in front of the car on YouTube, as a demonstration.

The results are not glorious at all :| (trying to find the channel back if someone knows).

And random public tests too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnG_Gbxf_w

This is a basic safety auto-braking. Just feels very wrong to even accept it goes into release.

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