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That's the price of real remote work culture which started in honest during the pandemic. I'm seeing US based employees replaced by LATAM based one. This is not the outsourcing scare of the 00's, this is real and it works very well.
As a Europoor it might actually increase our wages at least!
DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
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Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
#72Digital document signing company needing 7,000 employees. Why? The market still has room to go down, taking the 'tech' bubble with it.
You'd also be floored by how terrible their support is. I had to send three emails to get a sales rep to finally respond to a question (i'm an enterprise customer)
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
#73At first it seemed like the layoffs were legitimately needed by some companies. But now it feels like "this is a good time" is the reason du jour. An excuse to cut some projects that haven't panned out, dump a bunch of lower performers, and general other cleanup. DocuSign may have laid-off 700 people, but they have 162 open jobs and most of those list "multiple locations" which probably means they will hire more than…
Hope the employees form trade unions and workers' councils to help stop this bullshit. Look at DigitalOcean - literally doing "layoffs" whilst shifting hiring to Pakistan: https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/15/digitalocean_layoffs/
They are laying off 350 people mainly UK tech based. At the same time they are still hiring in India.
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
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Hope the employees form trade unions and workers' councils to help stop this bullshit. Look at DigitalOcean - literally doing "layoffs" whilst shifting hiring to Pakistan: https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/15/digitalocean_layoffs/
>Look at DigitalOcean - literally doing "layoffs" whilst shifting hiring to Pakistan This seems completely consistent. Layoffs are intended to save money and Pakistani workers are cheaper.
That said, internationally they'll be different subsidiaries so they can do whatever they want. We have global capitalist power but not global worker power.
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>Look at DigitalOcean - literally doing "layoffs" whilst shifting hiring to Pakistan This seems completely consistent. Layoffs are intended to save money and Pakistani workers are cheaper.
In some countries layoffs like this are done as redundancies though, like in Sweden they have to declare a work shortage and cannot re-hire in the same roles (in Sweden) for a few months. That said, internationally they'll be different subsidiaries so they can do whatever they want. We have global capitalist power but not global worker power.
Which is a tremendous advantage to the American worker, who would balk at global average compensation and quality of life.
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This is the first time I've heard the term "Europoor"... despite being ethnically "Europoor" (living abroad). For those who haven't seen it before, it apparently mean "European, but from one of the poorer European nations, mainly from eastern Europe."
Nope it does not. It's a meme referring to the fact that europeans despite living in rich countries are poor in comparison to exorbitant american tech wages.
Tech wages are just one particularly egregious example of how European policy tends to suppress productivity.
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
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Hope the employees form trade unions and workers' councils to help stop this bullshit. Look at DigitalOcean - literally doing "layoffs" whilst shifting hiring to Pakistan: https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/15/digitalocean_layoffs/
That's the price of real remote work culture which started in honest during the pandemic. I'm seeing US based employees replaced by LATAM based one. This is not the outsourcing scare of the 00's, this is real and it works very well.
If you insist that remote working is as good as being physically present with your colleagues, then you’re basically telling companies that the reason they were paying higher salaries to their American employees doesn’t actually exist.
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the price of real remote work culture which started in honest during the pandemic. I'm seeing US based employees replaced by LATAM based one. This is not the outsourcing scare of the 00's, this is real and it works very well.
I’ve been saying this for a while, but a decade from now we’re gonna look back with wonder at the fact that workers in the US had more power than a long time in 2021-2022 and they used all of that to make it easy to move their jobs overseas and destroy the advantages they had over their peers from poor countries. If you insist that remote working is as good as being physically present with your colleagues, then you’r…
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
#79At first it seemed like the layoffs were legitimately needed by some companies. But now it feels like "this is a good time" is the reason du jour. An excuse to cut some projects that haven't panned out, dump a bunch of lower performers, and general other cleanup. DocuSign may have laid-off 700 people, but they have 162 open jobs and most of those list "multiple locations" which probably means they will hire more than…
"An excuse to cut some projects that haven't panned out, dump a bunch of lower performers, and general other cleanup" How is stopping bad projects, letting go non-performers and cleaning up an excuse and not just plain smart business? People in this hackernews bubble are seriously disconnected from the real world.
So yeah, it's ass covering season for failed CEO iniatives.
Re: DocuSign to lay off 10% of its workforce, or about 700 employees
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the price of real remote work culture which started in honest during the pandemic. I'm seeing US based employees replaced by LATAM based one. This is not the outsourcing scare of the 00's, this is real and it works very well.
I was hit by layoffs but just got several offers. One thing I've noticed is that startups and smaller companies are moving more junior work offshore but are still keeping the higher roles in house (I'm a Principal). Most of the companies I interviewed with talked about working with teams off shore. I will say that a couple of the companies did this for prototyping but were in the process of reversing it and bringing…