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Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

andrewhy.de

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Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

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Headline: guy owns 15 things ... read article, guy owns more than 15 things. New headling: "Guy reaches new heights of extreme minimalism by ignoring a bunch of the things that he owns". But I guess it was a minimalist headline, so that was too long...?

Laptop charger, phone charger, money to own washing powder to wash clothes. "Toiletry kit" is a cheat, so add: razor, shaving foam, blades, toothpaste, toothbrush, towel, shampoo, shower gel, etc. etc. etc.

He addressed that. Some "things" listed are a collection of parts which are pretty useless if incomplete.

Are we going to enumerate the mechanical components of the computer down to screws, connectors, etc - some of which he could arguably live without? no. At some point we consider a collection of things a single whole thing. A puzzle is moot without all the pieces. Within reason, he's expanding that to include separable components which are functionally useless without other items; a laptop and a charger are pretty useless without each other, to the point that we may as well consider them part of the same thing ... ditto the "toiletry kit", a small bag (well, mine is) containing consumables all of which I need to become presentable each morning, the unified totality of parts becoming apparent if I miss just one of those things for a couple days.

The other interesting & valid selection - or in this case rejection - of "things" are those which he does have but could do without (if inconveniently, like socks) which have zero, even negative, resale value.

It's not a cheat. It's coping with a practical analysis of the problem, defining usable viable limits where others may flippantly disagree.

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

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I had a boss once who went on at great length about the benefits of the paperless office. His office was indeed devoid of paper storage, his secretary's office however, had loads of filing cabinets stuffed full of papers. Self-regarding parasites like this just offload all their support systems onto other people and then brag about how minimal and self sufficient they are.

So, perhaps you are against self-regarding people and braggarts and not necessarily minimalism?

There's no such thing as being self-sufficient. But, having ditched 90% of my possessions over the years, I have to say that removing all that material burden has felt damn great. One of the best things I've ever done.

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

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When you go to starbucks each morning, spending $100 a month there instead of owning your own coffeemaker - it's not minimalism. It's consumerism. Trying living with just what he has in a 3rd world country and it's minimalism.

Starbucks does add up, but I would say that it is minimalism (Especially if you are using it as an office) From an individual's perspective, it is not minimalist, because now you will need to have an entire coffee shop in your life to obtain coffee. However, from a societal viewpoint, it is very minimalist, because now each person can share the means to produce coffee, thus consuming less: electricity, water (assumin…

I think just printing a receipt for each cup makes the whole process less efficient for society. Let alone disposable cups etc.

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

#77
post #53

This guy still owns too much. When I was in Nepal with a friend studying migration, we saw many guys wlaking to India with: Their clothes (2 pieces) Their plastic slippers A cloth bag with, inside: One toothbrush A few rupies.

Whenever preparing to travel, I always try to allay my wife's "maybe I forgot something!" fears by asking "got passport? credit card? yes? then we're ready to go."

My personal version: knife, firestarter, meds http://db.tt/rU56upUK

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

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post #32

When you go to starbucks each morning, spending $100 a month there instead of owning your own coffeemaker - it's not minimalism. It's consumerism. Trying living with just what he has in a 3rd world country and it's minimalism.

I think you're reading this as "I am trying to do away with material things and spend less money." But, really, I think this example is "I live out of my backpack because I have money in the bank and it affords me great flexibility in my lifestyle."

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

#79
post #32

When you go to starbucks each morning, spending $100 a month there instead of owning your own coffeemaker - it's not minimalism. It's consumerism. Trying living with just what he has in a 3rd world country and it's minimalism.

Personally i use Starbucks as a personal office space, it's a lot cheaper than renting of buying an apartment with an extra bedroom.

Coffeeshops don't sell just coffee, they sell a workspace, convenience, wi-fi, etc. Now if one doesn't take advantage of all these other aspects of Starbucks then it doesn't make much sense to buy Starbucks, I agree.

Re: Extreme Minimalism: this guy owns just 15 things

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This isn't minimalism in any sense of the word, it's just a consumerist vanity.

OP's 'minimalism' is sustained by a reliance upon huge amounts of infrastructure, most of it environmentally unsustainable. He doesn't carry stuff with him, but uses money to access what he needs. It's like claiming to be a minimalist because you own a second house where you keep all your stuff. OP outsources the burden of sustaining his lifestyle to people poorer and browner than himself.

He eats without pans and plates because he relies on an army of immigrant workers to cook for him and wash his dishes. He doesn't own bedsheets or a sweeping brush because an immigrant maid cleans his hotel rooms. I don't believe that such an economic relationship is necessarily immoral or exploitative, but it certainly isn't minimalist.

OP flew more miles in the summer of 2010 than most people fly in a lifetime. That's hundreds of kilos of Jet-A fuel, a substantial share of the fleet and fixed infrastructure, plus untold amounts of carbon (magnified manifold by being emitted at altitude). He eats meat, which has a vast footprint in terms of land, water and energy use. How minimal is a lifestyle that leads to irrevocable climate change? How minimal is a lifestyle that wastes good soy protein to raise beef cattle?

Real minimalists take less than their fair share, not more.

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