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Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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I remember reading about this girl years ago. Like some of the other commenters I wasn't that surprised about her MSFT certification. I mean even a 10-year old can geek out on that kind of stuff, it wasn't that notable. However I just noticed this quote from her, which is so much more remarkable for a 10-year old: "If you want to do something big in your life, you must remember that shyness is only the mind," she sai…

When I was young (8-9 years old) everyone - peers, teachers, and parents - told me to stop being so outspoken. "Think before you speak" was drilled into me for years, continuously. It was probably the worst advice I have ever received.

I completely agree. I was told the same and was seen as mature by elders for being pensive and quiet. It's difficult to reverse it to favor our true nature, which is what we excel at.

The biggest tribute you can make to someone's life, like hers, is to take a moment to reflect, heed their advice, and incorporate it into your own. That's the stuff they would most like to see.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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They are naming their IT Parks after her. That is absurd and completely illogical. I guess Pakistani will soon include her doings and sayings in their Computer Science courses. [1] http://digg.com/newsbar/Technology/lahore_i_t_park_now_named... [2] http://tribune.com.pk/story/321964/k/

It does seem like they are over doing it a bit. But this is a country with a serious shortage of real heroes. If other Pakistani kids are motivated and inspired by her life I think its worth the renaming, adulation etc.

Did you ever heard about what they did with Abdus Salam? and motivating your kids to do MCP is nonsense? yea she was great but still i think she dont worth to have things named after her. It would be better if they promote real giants (Alan Turing, Dennis Ritchie etc), most of Pakistanis are unaware of them. They think computer science is just Microsoft and Bill gates.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/21/salaam-abdus-salam.html

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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When I was young (8-9 years old) everyone - peers, teachers, and parents - told me to stop being so outspoken. "Think before you speak" was drilled into me for years, continuously. It was probably the worst advice I have ever received.

"Think before you speak" is always good advice. The "confidence of the mind" referred above does not mean that you should shit out everything that pops in your head.

Ah, but the question is, are you saying something stupid, or something actually quite intelligent that other people just don't want to hear? The latter tends to attract even more hostility than the former.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

#74

They are naming their IT Parks after her. That is absurd and completely illogical. I guess Pakistani will soon include her doings and sayings in their Computer Science courses. [1] http://digg.com/newsbar/Technology/lahore_i_t_park_now_named... [2] http://tribune.com.pk/story/321964/k/

It's absurd that parks are named after notable people? What? Someone explain the bile and hatred in this thread to me. I don't get it.

Do you think MCP is that prestigious?

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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It's absurd that parks are named after notable people? What? Someone explain the bile and hatred in this thread to me. I don't get it.

Do you think MCP is that prestigious?

For a 9 year old? Yes.

For a 9 year old female in Pakistan? More so.

For a 9 year old female in Pakistan with an outlook on life that is more mature than some 20 year olds?

I'm having trouble coming up with reasons that this wasn't a very big deal.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

#76
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Bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't get this angry when commenting here but the disgusting lack of empathy continually expressed on HN really, really gets to me. If you truly felt sorry for the girl, for her family, considered her family's pride for what she accomplished not only for herself but possibly for other kids in Pakistan, then you wouldn't feel the need to point out any of what you've stated. I read the artic…

Your reply makes me sad. I'll try to explain why: Empathy should have nothing to do with your ability to evaluate facts. Empathy has an evil cousin, politically correctness . When politically correctness comes into play, you lose the game. You can't talk about anything with a straight perspective because, you know, somebody might get offended . A 16 years old kid has died. That is a sad fact by itself. If she was the…

I strongly disagree with you but was planning on staying out of this conversation. But now I feel compelled to interject.

Your example fails in supporting your point. Your example person could not be more different from Arfa.

Your character: Fat Boy who enjoys messing with .NET is alive and enjoying his snickers bar.

Arfa: Young Intelligent, Motivated Girl Concretely acting in fulfilling her goals and bettering her environment dies at 16.

It does not matter her gender, age or privilege. Her outlook, her willingness to act in perusing her goals and enrichment - in spite of her "silver spoon" - puts her ahead of a lot of people. Do not underestimate the power of taking things for granted.

We agree that her early death is tragic. But is it fair that so many other people also die and no one notices? No it is not fair. I agree. But the reality of the matter is that attention is a scarce resource and will always be. Now, If I had somehow heard about the death of your rich fat kid from NYC then I would certainly feel empathy for the parents and the early loss. But the reality is, a random person hearing of that event is not a likely scenario. Most news outlets would not be interested.

Many people, some more technically accomplished than Arfa will not get similar coverage. But technical accomplishment is not the sole determinant of value as a person or worth in attention units. If you look at how we price people's worth in attention you will notice that it is only loosely correlated with the value of the labor they put into improving themselves and more correlated with how much demand for their attention they can create.

As for Arfa's case she actually does stands up to scrutiny of the worth of her accomplishments. The real loss is not her current skill but the time derivative of it, the rate of increase, her potential. The fact that she had already made news, met Bill Gates, lack of greed, willingness to give back and the inspirational aspect of it all. Those add to make hers a very uncommon situation and hence worth covering by the media.

Her dying is a very sad event as is the case for nearly all deaths. But make no mistake, this coverage is not due to the empathy of the news outlets but a calculated cost value decision. Fair or not that is the reality of it and there is no gain in focusing on how many others are not covered instead giving more weight to the tragic fact of her loss. She has gotten to your ellipsoid of attention. That alone justifies the attention she is receiving, not an accounting of how easy it is to replicate her accomplishments. Such a stance is not much difference from holding a belief that I could make stackoverflow in a week.

Finally I completely disagree that empathy drains perspective. Empathy gives perspective. You underestimate the value of social and emotional intelligence, which are vital in getting people to work together and overcome difficulties. Empathy is exactly trying to get someone's perspective and then using that to your mutual advantages (or manipulate to get ahead). Intelligence in species is correlated with complexity of social groups. Some argue Neanderthals were more IQ intelligent than us - closer to our savants but we overcame them by being more able to work together and having a superior Collective Intelligence.

Empathy is not an enemy of rationality. See Higher order intentionality. I have a pet theory that the empathetic mind is a simulation based intelligence, dual to the calculation based intelligence commonly linked to I.Q. You can run simulations, or run outright calculations to get at the same answer. Some things are easier to calculate others easier to simulate. Both add perspective and neither has ordinality.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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> we get a bunch of morons on here telling us how the accomplishments aren't as good as they seem. Whoa, easy. I have expressed my opinion and I have backed it up well I think. No hate for the poor girl, that's just terrible that somebody 16 years old have to die, no matter his or her accomplishments. On the other hand, what accomplishments are we talking about here? Seriously, I'm really sorry for the poor girl, I r…

Bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't get this angry when commenting here but the disgusting lack of empathy continually expressed on HN really, really gets to me. If you truly felt sorry for the girl, for her family, considered her family's pride for what she accomplished not only for herself but possibly for other kids in Pakistan, then you wouldn't feel the need to point out any of what you've stated. I read the artic…

>Bullshit. Utter bullshit. I don't get this angry when commenting here but the disgusting lack of empathy continually expressed on HN really, really gets to me.

What is more disgusting is the millions of people who make massive contributions, but aren't mentioned.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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Do you think MCP is that prestigious?

For a 9 year old? Yes. For a 9 year old female in Pakistan? More so. For a 9 year old female in Pakistan with an outlook on life that is more mature than some 20 year olds? I'm having trouble coming up with reasons that this wasn't a very big deal.

if she was that genius then she should have solved NP-P problem at 14-15 years old. And in Pakistan elite class females don't face discrimination.

Frankly speaking i have more respect for that Boy http://launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar than her.At least he can program.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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Do you think MCP is that prestigious?

For a 9 year old? Yes. For a 9 year old female in Pakistan? More so. For a 9 year old female in Pakistan with an outlook on life that is more mature than some 20 year olds? I'm having trouble coming up with reasons that this wasn't a very big deal.

Considering the amount of bashing going on in this thread, I must suppose everyone saying it is no big deal has done at least the same - ie Microsoft certification at that age [or younger], meeting up with Bill Gates, and sharing her mature outlook on life.

I mean, it the least we can expect from a hacker. Really, it must not be a big deal because it is so common.

Oh, wait, I think it's not :-) And the bashers just think they could have done the same at her age, in a similar situation. But she did, while they think they could have done it.

Ideas are cheap, implementation matter -and she did it. Saying that she has not yet created some major piece of software is acceptable - the article may not have gotten the perfect title. But considering the age at which she died, odds are she would have followed her promising way and done something really good.

But wait- she already managed to have a computer lab set up in her village. Something everyone here must also have done at her age.

Nothing to see - just spoiled brats expressing jealousy.

Re: Programming prodigy passes away at 16

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If the headline was "world's youngest MSP" instead of "programming prodigy" would there be less hate in this thread?

"world's youngest MSP" is still pretty meaningless. I have no clue why this is even on hacker news, let alone top story.

Well, you have only been here eight days. Give it some time and I'm sure you'll come to understand what HN appreciates better.
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