Well written blog post and most important that there are a lot of screenshots.
So many good OSS projects fail this simple task. Show some images!
Elementary OS 7
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#72I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.
Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…
I once tried to make its DE work on another distro and it wasn't great, but it wasn't a full effort. Wish that could be easier, because as you say, the no upgrades thing bugs.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?
This is an odd critique. If it's an issue that someone cares about, they should be allowed to comment about it as long as it's within the guidelines. There doesn't seem to be a guideline that defines the number of times someone can comment about a specific topic relative to the total number of comments within a specific amount of time. Two of the three comments are also replies to someone who replied to the first, so…
> they should be allowed to comment (…) People are allowed to have discussions.
My comment doesn’t contradict that. On the contrary, I do think their particular experience adds value to the thread.
> it's not like the person is spamming the same message over and over again.
After reading the three comments multiple times, I disagree. The comments were (they’ve since been deleted) superficially different but none added to the conversation over the others. I would even say the repetition detracted from the point, since it made it seem like a personal gripe instead of a legitimate technical complaint.
Re: Elementary OS 7
#74> Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store. Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don’t know which platform they’re actually referring to, all while actually regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure" dialogs. Their dark pattern compelling you to "…
>Their dark pattern compelling you to "buy" instead of simply download elementary (for which I doubt many $$$ go to for example the Linux kernel) is still present, too.
Give them a break! They put their hard work into something that could be useful for a lot of people and on top of that let the user name their price. There's nothing "dark" about that.
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#75It seems to me it never took off which I partly blame on the direction. It's beautiful but a bit too simple and I had a locked in feeling I haven't felt before while using Linux (to the contrary in fact). As long as I remained within the ecosystem it was fine, but otherwise it was like jumping off a cliff. That strains the ecosystem and emphasizes available software a lot. How fun the OS is to use becomes a factor of everything besides the OS.
I couldn't really use it like that and I didn't need to anymore either as GNOME had caught up and I'm now a happy Fedora + GNOME user. It also shares a "simple" and macOS like design language/goals, but with many advantages from technical, development backing, and community size standpoints.
Re: Elementary OS 7
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an odd critique. If it's an issue that someone cares about, they should be allowed to comment about it as long as it's within the guidelines. There doesn't seem to be a guideline that defines the number of times someone can comment about a specific topic relative to the total number of comments within a specific amount of time. Two of the three comments are also replies to someone who replied to the first, so…
> they should be allowed to comment (…) People are allowed to have discussions. My comment doesn’t contradict that. On the contrary, I do think their particular experience adds value to the thread. > it's not like the person is spamming the same message over and over again. After reading the three comments multiple times, I disagree. The comments were (they’ve since been deleted) superficially different but none adde…
You’re criticizing the fact that the person commented three times. While you’re not directly telling them “don’t do that”, you’re still admonishing someone for doing something well within the guidelines and even intentions of this site, to talk about things that are interesting to the user.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they should be allowed to comment (…) People are allowed to have discussions. My comment doesn’t contradict that. On the contrary, I do think their particular experience adds value to the thread. > it's not like the person is spamming the same message over and over again. After reading the three comments multiple times, I disagree. The comments were (they’ve since been deleted) superficially different but none adde…
You’re criticizing the fact that the person commented three times. While you’re not directly telling them “don’t do that”, you’re still admonishing someone for doing something well within the guidelines and even intentions of this site, to talk about things that are interesting to the user.
I have asked them to consider if the way they were going about the matter was appropriate. I have even explained to you what prompted it: I found their point valid and worthwhile, but in my view the repetition weakened their stance. Considering they deleted the extra comments a while back, perhaps they agree.
Respectfully, you seem unreasonably angry about this matter and I do not wish to continue a conversation where the other party keeps assuming the worst of my replies. There is no malice or ill intent in my post. If you see any, that is on you.
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#79I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.
Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…
Form over function?
Re: Elementary OS 7
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re criticizing the fact that the person commented three times. While you’re not directly telling them “don’t do that”, you’re still admonishing someone for doing something well within the guidelines and even intentions of this site, to talk about things that are interesting to the user.
I have asked them to consider if the way they were going about the matter was appropriate. I have even explained to you what prompted it: I found their point valid and worthwhile, but in my view the repetition weakened their stance. Considering they deleted the extra comments a while back, perhaps they agree. Respectfully, you seem unreasonably angry about this matter and I do not wish to continue a conversation wher…
If you didn't want people to assume the worst, then maybe you should reconsider that how your write and what you say could be interpreted in many ways, and not sound so negative and admonishing when you criticize others?
Notice that I didn't tell you what to do, I simply asked you to consider if the way you were going about the matter was appropriate.