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Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic

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Post by philipswood »

hajhatten wrote: post #31
flohofwoe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe people will just start requiring more evidence that something actually happened instead of believing everything they find on Tiktok (or the wider internet), which would actually be a good thing.

Video evidence may not be trusted as evidence in court in the future. Will we require something more perhaps? Or will the word of AI keen on spotting something's off be what we trust?

Maybe we will only trust video from cameras with embedded cryptographic functionality when the cryptographic checks verify it hasn't been tampered with?

(And even then sometimes wonder if a hardware hack was involved)

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Post by datacruncher01 »

ctack wrote: post #39

My bold prediction. Please hold me to this in 2 years /s.. Some video storage service or ‘authentication service middleman’ is going to make a mint with blockchain authenticity proofing. They’ll provide a seal of authenticity that the feed being viewed came direct from a camera. Feed will be checked during viewing as well to verify its ‘camera direct’ state.

Had the same idea a few years back. You don't need blockchain though, good old fashioned CAs will work. Use standard digital signatures on the keyframe data but that does necessitate a new video format standard. Good luck with that. You could probably DIY by overlaying a QR code signature on the video keyframe as a stopgap until an official format exists.

Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic

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Post by pmayrgundter »

hnbad wrote: post #68
pmayrgundter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With you there, to a point. It's ironic and revealing that nobody actually consents to a social contract then. Closest most come is voting, and perhaps that implicitly validates the laws. But that's not really consent. So maybe this consent assumption is not so strong!

Oh, I agree that states aren't consensual in practice, neither is capitalism. That's why I'm an anarchist. But philosophically the justification for a state's existence is the mythical social contract and most modern states require some level of consent for contracts within their legal systems to be legitimate (e.g. can't be made under the legal definition of duress, which usually at least means a contract is invalid…

cool

Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic

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Post by ninethirty »

flohofwoe wrote: post #25
pocketarc wrote: post #8

Give it a couple more years to iron out the kinks and throw in more resources, and even fewer people may be able to spot anything off (I already cannot - even knowing that it's fake, there's no way I'd ever think "wow this is a fake video"). This is either going to send a shockwave to society in the trust department (i.e. we'll have to absolutely distrust everything and everyone will have to adapt immediately), or we…

Or maybe people will just start requiring more evidence that something actually happened instead of believing everything they find on Tiktok (or the wider internet), which would actually be a good thing.

Or more likely, people will require essentially no evidence for something that confirms their bias, and an unsurmountable unreasonable body of evidence for something that contradicts it.

Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic

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Post by Fnoord »

As long as I immediately notice something's off I am not going to be impressed. I notice the neck is weird right away. A few seconds later I noticed the head is out of proportion in relation the body. I'm not the best at noticing picture deepfakes, but this one is obvious.

Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic

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Post by CyberDildonics »

tommek4077 wrote: post #13
manmal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think once deepfaking reaches a sufficient level of believability, people will stop believing video evidence.

There are videos of Nessie, Bigfoot and Aliens for decades. Are we still trusting video?!

Can you link those videos that are close up, high resolution and slowly move the camera around them?
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