Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

Post by acituan » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 5:02 AM UTC

petesergeant wrote: post #69

acituan wrote: post #38

This is an extremely weak study that basically launders Huberman's "mini interventionism" and abuses west coast's fascination with what is mostly "breath-themed magic". The idea of hyperregulation of breath is a cousin of hyperregulation of dietary intake, which is a western "top-down"ism, latter of which induced more disordered eating than it achieved/preserved health. Regarding the criticisms of this study; Firstly…

> an extremely weak study Then it is surprising that a reasonably robust journal like Cell Reports Medicine published it (presumably after peer review), and so many Stanford postdocs and associate professors put their name on it

Post by aidenn0 » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 6:01 AM UTC

leashless wrote: post #44

rojobuffalo wrote: post #7

It's remarkable that I so often lapse in my meditation practice when it's such a short time commitment and so consistently improves my mood. I tell myself that morning yoga is enough or a walking meditation while taking the dog out is enough - I do those every day without fail. But they're not the same as seated breath work. Why do other mood improvement habits seem more approachable, like making a cup of tea or exer…

http://files.howtolivewiki.com/.meditation_2015/transcripts/... This came out of an attempt to strip the core meditation techniques down to completely remove the mysticism, and adjust the practice cycle for long-term solo practitioners who are agnostic or atheist and can't lean on concepts like "The Buddha" or "Lord Shiva" (although I myself am Hindu.) The critical innovation is doing ten minute rounds of different p…

Post by jdkoeck » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 7:00 AM UTC

tern wrote: post #67

leashless wrote: post #65

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Yeah, the distinction may be that this is an “enlightenment driven” program —- an hour a day for ten years, coupled to therapy. Most of the enlightenment driven work out there is relatively religious and spends a lot of time on faith in lineage etc. This was an experiment to skip all that and just work the core practices very very hard and results are pretty good over seven or eight years. I should have clarified tha…

For what it's worth, the "faith in lineage" stuff doesn't require magical thinking and is pretty helpful. The downside of it from my perspective is it's just a lot of stuff to learn and a bit complicated to maintain in a Western cultural context. Plenty of people are making progress with more stripped-down approaches that rhyme better with the scientific worldview.

Post by TedDoesntTalk » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 7:06 AM UTC

elmomle wrote: post #48

dalys wrote: post #34

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Cyclic hyperventilation with retention is the same as wim hof breathing https://youtu.be/tybOi4hjZFQ as I understood from Andrew Huberman

I'm not a practitioner of Wim Hof's methods, but what was implemented in the paper is definitely not Wim Hof breathing. The paper describes 30x breaths with the inhale twice as long as the exhale, and a 15 second hold on the final exhale. Wim Hof's method has 30x equal-length inhales and exhales, and a one-minute hold on the final exhale [0]. Aside from there being a substantial difference between equal length inhale…

Post by Sakos » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 7:44 AM UTC

graderjs wrote: post #64

groby_b wrote: post #58

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Welcome to science, where we actually reproduce results and don't just yell "everybody knows". (Since you are fond of the Indian approach, though, may I suggest you inspect your anger?) And yes, it's fairly basic stuff - but it's also laying the foundation for ongoing studies. And it's not like it's ignoring ancient practices, they're specifically referenced. While we're on "how does this study help in any way", it's…

He didn’t get my point. Maybe he was replying to another comment and mistakenly put it down here? It’s something about something that’s too obvious. I got a science degree man, I believe in the scientific method, but the way it’s applied sometimes: too stupid. The scientific institution is so fucking flawed. The scientific method can’t cure humanity’s faults: reproducibility crisis, confirmation bias, wrong incentive…