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It seems that every big project attracts that one persistent weirdo who comes by from time to time and posts silly stuff. I've noticed this pattern for a while now. I don't want to give names but I've at least seen some... bizarre issues on the LLVM tracker, for example.
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If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
I may have done this 15 years ago to someone that I felt deserved it at the time, on a forum I enjoyed trolling and to a coworkers identity that eventually came through.
I'm not this insane anymore.
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> Asperger’s diagnosis This a real thing, mild forms are socially inhibiting, extreme forms can mean social skills are completely crippled. I feel sorry for these people (although I’m probably in the mild category), but I’m not sure what we could do to help without getting hurt ourselves? I just hope my kid is normal socially with a good sense of empathy.
It’s truly heartbreaking. The guy was one of my closest friends because we had a ton of hobbies in common. I loved when he would target fixate on some problem and his basement would turn into a mad scientist workshop. I remember him as “the person who would see through a ridiculous idea.” But the abusive parts got worse and worse and became intolerable. I’m not sure what could have been done differently. Though as a…
This accusation of “doxxing” by a few people seems a bit unjustified to me. As a drive by viewer of this internet spat, you’ve probably got zero idea how much this person implicates their real-life identity in their online presence. If you want to both-sides this, there was much more credible arguments to make.
But also, doxxing is totally acceptable to protect people from threats including harassment. We are well past the era where we maintained the fantasy that the internet was separate from real life. People who are acting out online sometimes also act dangerous IRL and it is therefore prudent to figure out who they are IRL if they've proven to be bad actors online.
to anyone reading this, DO NOT listen to the person I am replying to. Even if this extreme case seems "justified", its all too easy to fall down a slippery slope, where you start doxxing anyone that slights you. I have been the victim of this, its NOT OK.
There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…
this strikes me as similar to the concept of being for life imprisonment over the spending of resources towards rehabilitation.
To throw people to the wayside because YOU have determined them to be 'UN-fixable' IS wrong. It's useful for YOU to compartmentalize them out of your life because they represent a personal burden -- but this doesn't help them improve themselves or their conditions; it may not be your responsibility to help them improve -- but many of these people are hopeless without outsider intervention, they need help, not partitioning. If you can't help them then the next best thing is to make an effort to find them help, not to shut the door in their face.
>It’s more wrong to let them perpetually abuse people
what do you think happens when you make yourself lost contact with these people? Well, having been 'compartmentalized' earlier in life and never receiving any help or social training, they continue to perpetually abuse other people.
Ironically the strategy of isolating them from oneself likely increases or prolongs their time 'out of step' with society -- all it does is protects YOU from the damage the person might do.
All I can say is that i'm glad the entire world doesn't take your advice of 'compartmentalizing harmful people', otherwise this place would be a pretty brutal world to live in.
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Posting the name of a harasser is not doxxing.
Yes it is, especially if it's posted with no evidence backing up the claims. For all we know, this might be a private dispute between two people, and, if presented all the information, Bryan's side might be the side that sounds more reasonable...
While the post fails to directly present evidence, and could be improved by doing so, given the nature of the complaint perhaps simply searching in the bug tracker and related forums would easily surface said evidence.
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But also, doxxing is totally acceptable to protect people from threats including harassment. We are well past the era where we maintained the fantasy that the internet was separate from real life. People who are acting out online sometimes also act dangerous IRL and it is therefore prudent to figure out who they are IRL if they've proven to be bad actors online.
no, this is not acceptable. If you have an issue with someone online, ban their email, ban their IP and move on. It is not appropriate to go hunting this person in real life. you yourself have then become the creep, the person acting inappropriately. you've become the very person you have issue with. to anyone reading this, DO NOT listen to the person I am replying to. Even if this extreme case seems "justified", its…
Here's the thing: they did do that. But the banned person would not move on, and continued to evade the ban and be a pile of misery for everyone involved. "Ban them and move on" is the sort of advice that works great until it doesn't.
Is no one commenting for fear of being harassed?
I have no affiliation with the ReactOS project but I honestly think that the doxxing could and should have been avoided (assuming the name included in the title is a person's real name). It probably also goes against some HN rules, but I may be wrong on that.
At least, if you want to identify them at all. But a warning without the identity is a bit pointless I guess.
That said, I can’t find anything crazy in a quick look at either their Jira or Forum.
https://jira.reactos.org/browse/ROSBE-173?jql=reporter%20in%...
Zero3K seems to have been involved with ReactOS since at least 2019, and has quite a lot of issues reported.
There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…
I’d sleep on the idea of ostracising people with social issues because it can hasten a downward spiral.
In a lot of cases, people who don’t fit in are looking for love they don’t receive. Speaking from experience, if you can offer them that love in spite of challenging behaviour, you could be the key to them developing positive relationships that serve as models of how they can effectively fit in.
If you can muster the energy, instead of pushing these people away, as hard as it may seem, try drawing them closer - it’s not an exaggeration to say that you might be saving someone’s life.