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Same thing with passing a football or nailing a technical ice skating routine. You can either do it, or you can't. Practice helps but is not a panacea, unfortunately. Find another occupation, friend. You are owed nothing.

Or a better teacher. The limiting factor isn't necessarily the student.

Sometimes this is true. But sometimes the limiting factor really is the student.

In my own experience I've seen fellow students put in less than half the effort I did (I watched them copy homework assignments in groups 30 minutes before class, spend a lot of time trying to track down last years exams, etc etc), and then have the nerve to complain afterwards that the exams were too hard.

Re: In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emotionally trying”

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These threads are often fun because of the variety of ways people were taught things. It’s hard to guess how they compare because most people only end up doing one of the ways and there isn’t much randomisation in education.

Where I studied, problem sets were purely pedagogical and didn’t contribute towards grades. It meant exams could be stressful but the questions in the homework could cover a wider range of difficulty including things that would be fun to have a crack at even if you didn’t know the answer. The struggle of trying to figure it out felt good for understanding the material. We’d review answers and solutions in small groups after attempting the homework. It was pretty normal to get prove-or-disprove or could-one-prove questions but this was mathematics not economics.

A few problems I remember in particular:

- in an introductory course a few weeks in there was a question like ‘find a function R -> R that takes every value on every non empty open interval’ and there’s a standard construction that we didn’t generally know so there were often fun errors or weird constructions.

- ‘find a space X which deformation-retracts to the annulus and to the mobius band’ which I mostly remember because I had some horrid intuitive solution where I took a disk times a circle, embedded it in R3, and then carefully wrote out retracts, but I think the good solution was to just take the product space and then rely on some theorems that I no longer remember

- ‘what’s yellow and equivalent to the axiom of choice?’

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Or a better teacher. The limiting factor isn't necessarily the student.

Sometimes this is true. But sometimes the limiting factor really is the student. In my own experience I've seen fellow students put in less than half the effort I did (I watched them copy homework assignments in groups 30 minutes before class, spend a lot of time trying to track down last years exams, etc etc), and then have the nerve to complain afterwards that the exams were too hard.

I’ve seen fellow students put a quarter of time on studying that I did (they spent the rest studying all the other advanced stuff that I didn’t even have time to look at), and get top scores on exams and effortlessly explain everything to us mere mortals. Life simply is not fair.

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> But there are smart people who get all this stuff "easily" (previous practice, exposure). Or, simply by virtue of being more intelligent. Life is not fair, and some people do have it easier than others, without having to pay for it with extra study time. If you are pursuing a research career, and you observe other students putting similar amounts of effort, but obtaining much better results, understanding things mo…

Same thing with passing a football or nailing a technical ice skating routine. You can either do it, or you can't. Practice helps but is not a panacea, unfortunately. Find another occupation, friend. You are owed nothing.

Yes, it's a combination of passion and ability. The super-achievers in any field have both.

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Fluorescence is spectrum shifted retransmission. Energy arrives on some wavelengths, it departs on others. "Three spatial dimensions" Vs. "Four spatial dimensions" is suggesting the existence of a further spatial dimension orthogonal to our own and is a bit fanciful, however ... It's legit to look at the evolution of analytic forms from 2 to 3 to 4 to higher (N) dimensions not just for the fun of abstraction but also…

Man, I gotta try reading the harder Greg Egan novels again. I'm fine with the biological and even some of the topographical stuff, but when he starts basing character development on actually visualising shifting through orthogonal dimensions like what you're talking about, my brain just exits via my arsehole and I give up.

Greg Egan, Matt Parker, myself, and a slew of others (eg [1]) all attended math and physics classes in what some astronaut called the city of lights and the most isolated city in the world ...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laKp1XeEF74

some of us also appeared in a film with Nicole Kidman

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Pretty much most senior level/grad algorithm classes are like this. They introduce a framework for solution and then give you about 2-3 example lecture problems that they walk you through. 2-3 weeks after being introduced to 5/6 frameworks its Exam day. You are given unique word problems that, in the eyes of someone experienced like a prof or PhD student, is trivial. But you are struggling with 1 week of homework exp…

> But there are smart people who get all this stuff "easily" (previous practice, exposure). Or, simply by virtue of being more intelligent. Life is not fair, and some people do have it easier than others, without having to pay for it with extra study time. If you are pursuing a research career, and you observe other students putting similar amounts of effort, but obtaining much better results, understanding things mo…

Hard disagree on the idea that research should be the exclusive domain of some special tier of “top” research. Certainly there are varying degrees of aptitude for the skills of research. That said, there are infinitely more questions than there are geniuses. Many of these questions are of pressing importance for humanity. I’m very glad there are people working on them who didn't quit because they failed a problem set.

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Or a better teacher. The limiting factor isn't necessarily the student.

So we should ensure equal opportunity to ice-skating lessons, in perpetuity, for all humans? Just in case?

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Pretty much most senior level/grad algorithm classes are like this. They introduce a framework for solution and then give you about 2-3 example lecture problems that they walk you through. 2-3 weeks after being introduced to 5/6 frameworks its Exam day. You are given unique word problems that, in the eyes of someone experienced like a prof or PhD student, is trivial. But you are struggling with 1 week of homework exp…

> But there are smart people who get all this stuff "easily" (previous practice, exposure). Or, simply by virtue of being more intelligent. Life is not fair, and some people do have it easier than others, without having to pay for it with extra study time. If you are pursuing a research career, and you observe other students putting similar amounts of effort, but obtaining much better results, understanding things mo…

> Or, simply by virtue of being more intelligent. Life is not fair

> If you are pursuing a research career, and you observe other students putting similar amounts of effort, but obtaining much better results, understanding things more quickly and getting better ideas, you should probably just drop out.

That seems drastic even without accounting for untold ways people enter any stage of life with disadvantages. I mean, I don’t know what I’m talking about in terms of research, just a fairly demanding professional life for >20 years. But dropping out isn’t the first and only advice I would give anyone who feels they aren’t performing as well as they perceive their expectations or just the performance of their peers.

Re: In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emotionally trying”

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Pretty much most senior level/grad algorithm classes are like this. They introduce a framework for solution and then give you about 2-3 example lecture problems that they walk you through. 2-3 weeks after being introduced to 5/6 frameworks its Exam day. You are given unique word problems that, in the eyes of someone experienced like a prof or PhD student, is trivial. But you are struggling with 1 week of homework exp…

"But there are smart people who get all this stuff "easily" (previous practice, exposure)." I believe you meant to say "(studying)"

Sometimes. There were certain topics that I didn’t have to do any studying for and others that took a lot of effort.
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