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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

I think being banned from search could be part of a shadow ban, but when the entire service is search that's just a ban.

If it was a shadow ban he would see his site when he searched but we wouldn't. This is definitely not that.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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I think being banned from search could be part of a shadow ban, but when the entire service is search that's just a ban.

If it was a shadow ban he would see his site when he searched but we wouldn't. This is definitely not that.

Are you talking about normal sites? Not search engines? If so I don't really agree. I don't think you have to go through that much effort as part of implementing a shadow ban. If posts show up to the user in most places, then good enough it's a shadow ban.

Only because this is a search engine do I say this solidly isn't a shadow ban.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Is there also a term for being algorithmically suppressed on a social media platform, I wonder? I.e. a much more subtle, harder to dectect mechanism whereby the algorithms ensure you get some exposure, but never the same as other unsuppressed people would get based on similar activity. Or only exposure to a certain limited subset of the graph based on some metrics (e.g. just your 'friends' so no one points out you ar…

Yes, its called Algorithmic Supression. That doesn't sound as cool and victimey though.

Could call it a RoboBlock in popular language, with reference to a roadblock. An obstruction to engage enforced by our machine overlords. Or better maybe, a RoboGag.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

Yes. Unfortunately people increasingly use "shadow ban" to just mean "ban", perhaps it sounds cool?

When you first hear a term used, I think it's natural for people just try to figure out what it means in context without looking up the official definition (I've caught myself doing this subconsciously before).

Imo a logical interpretation of "shadow ban" would be when you are banned but they didn't tell you they banned you, and regular "ban" is when they tell you you were banned. It makes enough sense that people don't think they need to look it up to confirm.

edit: funny enough, I did double-check the wikipedia page to make sure my understanding was correct, but upon reading further it does acknowledge the expanding of the definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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A bunch of sites popped up hosting it loaded with SEO garbage and ads. I’d licensed it MIT so while they certainly can, it sure doesn’t feel nice.

I've writing and freely shared a lot of OSS code and I plan to continue doing that. All MIT licensed. But I keep thinking that this is a limitation of MIT. It's written with the purest of good intentions but without any way to prevent bad actors from exploiting that. I wonder if there's a better kind of license that provides a close level of freedom but would prevent some of the most obvious exploitations (e.g. packa…

One of the Creative Commons licenses like cc-by?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#78
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I can find Beej.us with DDG, but not daverupert.com. Maybe Beej got the problem resolved somehow.

He says in the link it’s specifically the C guide, the rest of the website is fine. Though... yeah, DDG queries like “beej c guide strlen” give reasonable results for me, if with an unjustifiably high-ranked position for the mirror at http://docs.hfbk.net/beej.us . Bing ones only include the mirror and the other guides (and a Scribd-hosted PDF copy, of all things, as the first result below a huge navigation card refe…

Incidentally, what is the "legal status" of Scribd hosting a partial preview of works that they tell you are BY-NC (attribution/non-commercial use only) and telling you to become a member to be able to view the whole thing? Is that not a commercial use?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Elon wants to redefine the term as well but for the purpose of a coordinated witch hunt. People like using shadow ban because it sounds more malicious vs. content that is no longer actively promoted by a company. It's hard to claim you're a victim if the reason is you're just not that interesting or popular.

There is difference between "content that is no longer actively promoted by a company" and "the company explicitly put your content on a no-show list". Sure, it's not shadow banning but "just" stealth banning (as you're still not informed that you got banned, or reason for it), but banning nonetheless

That's not a ban at all. Hobby Lobby refusing to sell dildos is a ban, but deciding not to display unpopular merchandise in advertising isn't a ban.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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What should you do when another site copies your content like this then?

You send a DMCA.

Chances are that the site will be hosted outside the US and the DMCA is a US only copyright law afaik. I don't think it's applicable outside the US.
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