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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

shlubbert wrote: post #46
dragontamer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. This already is a huge step forward compared to Reddit, where you aren't even sure which subreddits are owned by the corporation / official groups, or if they're "fan run". Are you sure /r/Ubuntu is a fan-r…

Which companies do actually own and moderate their own subreddits? I have always treated all of them as unofficial, even if there are employees of the company that post periodically.

/r/Hololive is like that

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by erk__ »

geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

It is curious how different the sentiment is in this thread compared to the other thread currently on the front page regarding GitHub Copilot. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34274326

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by crazygringo »

benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

For real. From the headline I thought this was going to be a "ban" from an art department or marketplace or something of actual value, which would actually be news. Being banned from a subreddit for an arbitrary/idiotic reason is just reddit as usual.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by root_axis »

dragontamer wrote: post #66
root_axis wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've had my fair share of terrible moderators on Reddit Welcome to the internet, the same thing could be said about every web forum since the 90s. > There's not much to do aside from start a rival subreddit Yes, that's the system working as intended. You don't have any right to the subreddit any more than the people who got there first. There have been many successful offshoot subreddits that go on to eclipse their…

> Welcome to the internet, the same thing could be said about every web forum since the 90s. Not USENET, not IRC. There's other systems, older than Reddit, that have other rules.

Ah yes, usenet and irc, two platforms where moderators never ban people for capricious reasons.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by danenania »

Sebb767 wrote: post #67
teekert wrote: post #18

What does it even matter how art is created? It's the same with banning ChatGPT from StackOverflow: Who cares and who notices? Art is either evoking some feeling or not and it's different for everybody. An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? ChatGPT can easily say something more helpful than me, stable diffusion can easily make something I'd rather have on my wall than Da Vinci's Mona…

> An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? "Who cares if the diagnosis is done by a medical expert or someone pulling out random drugs they tried before? As long as I feel better immediately after taking them, who cares how they were prescribed?" The case on SO is clearly different, as ChatGPT might answer incorrectly or answer with something containing subtle bugs. There's also a good…

"ChatGPT might answer incorrectly or answer with something containing subtle bugs. There's also a good chance that you won't be immediately able to spot those bugs, as, if you were sufficiently knowledgeable in the topic yourself, you would have most likely not asked that question."

Playing devil's advocate here, but this also clearly applies to human answers.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jollyllama »

darepublic wrote: post #52

I think this may be overreach by the moderator but I basically agree with their points. This looks just like a midjourney output. It is a hodge podge of different cultural influences -- asian character, with green eyes, with grecoroman garb, and eye of sauron orbs floating around her. It would have once been technically impressive, and now is just a kind of culture diarrhea.

You've got a point, but I feel like I've seen more egregious examples of what you're describing. The Sauron eyes are unnecessary, but without that, it could be an interesting "Muse in the Warzone" piece. The character doesn't really look Asian to me though, or drawn in an anime style, but the expression could stand to be more subtle. We're all critics.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by tester457 »

DethNinja wrote: post #23
geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

This is a common misconception. AI is not copying anything. It is studying the images in a similar way that humans do. Entire size of the stable diffusion model is around 6gb, with pruning it goes down to 3gb. Training set is in terabytes. So it is common sense that no copying is done. I think artists need to be fair about AI, is there any artist that created their style without ever studying other artists? That is h…

Still, people did not consent to their art to be trained on.

Just like how it is a bad idea to train github copilot on copyrighted code, or how the same company that made Stable Diffusion promised that they will not use copyrighted music for training (because they're scared of the music industry), copyrighted art should not be used on training sets without permission.

This is going to cause a lawsuit somewhere down the line, even if images only contribute a few bits each, signatures are still seen and this could make an argument in a court case.

It would be fair to everyone to only use public domain material for training sets.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by birdyrooster »

andsoitis wrote: post #12
tazjin wrote: post #3

Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.

What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

this model effectively e-parastroika

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

generalizations wrote: post #44
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

I wonder if the simple solution is to prevent mod accounts from interacting on the subreddits they moderate.

I'm almost in favor, but I would worry that for really small communities that deprives the sub of its biggest contributor
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