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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Zuiii » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:17 AM UTC

ammar2 wrote: post #69

causi wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by unity1001 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

Buraksr wrote: post #34

Gigachad wrote: post #21

What is the justification for being able to change the terms after the votes have taken place?

My understanding is that it is more a consequence of politics than the system... Sure you have a veto proof majority on this bill, but what about what comes next? The governor is able to stop "tyranny of masses" by their veto power. Almost no bill in our partisan age is able to pass with a veto proof majority. So the governor has the ability to prevent good outcomes for specific members of their party in the legislat…

> "tyranny of masses"

That's democracy. If you water down or prevent the democratic will through ANY means to empower the will of the minority over the majority for ANY reason, then you end up implementing the governance of an elite.

Minority rights of the people are a different matter - they would be guaranteed by the civil law governing human rights in a country - they dont have anything to do with the democratic will.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by jonahx » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:21 AM UTC

Zuiii wrote: post #71

ammar2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection, except for the problem of too many layers of indirection.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by ALittleLight » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #67

genocidicbunny wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should make an addendum that any safety-related cancellations require a full inspection/re-certification of the aircraft that takes either a lot of time or a lot of money to go through. And any crew involved will be required to pass some sort of check flight or related process (at company cost of course.) Make spurious 'safety' cancellations expensive, very expensive.

That would defeat the purpose. The point of the carveout is so that we don't accidentally incentivize the airlines to fly a flight that should be canceled for safety reasons, and this would do exactly that.

Perhaps they could require the people who make the go/no-go decision on flight safety to visit a prison every three months and receive a lecture on how this will be their new home if they knowingly approve a plane not safe to fly.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by neilv » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

That's interesting. At first glance, a safety issue looks plausible. But if it turns out someone is playing business optimization games with safety issues, by consciously creating the safety issues, with the intention of using them to get out of some other regulatory compliance... that doesn't sound in the spirit of the aviation safety programs.

In the US, I suspect that pretty much any personnel who observed this could raise it as an issue through an FAA safety reporting program. There are some protections for reporters.

(These programs, and the people and organizations who participate in them, are a big part of why aviation is as safe as it is. It's something a lot of people seem to take very seriously. It's pretty inspiring, IMHO, and if only we could collectively believe in other common goals like this, and execute as well.)

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by ericd » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:38 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

I don’t know if they’re operating yet for Canadian flights, but there are at least a few companies that will go through the hassle of battling it out with European airlines in exchange for a cut of the proceeds. Worked for us when Swiss tried to give us the runaround by inappropriately using a similar exception to the one you’re describing.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by neilv » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:41 AM UTC

harporoeder wrote: post #48

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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by kova12 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:50 AM UTC

kevingadd wrote: post #55

kwiens wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The governor told the legislative sponsors that they had to accept these changes or she would veto the bill. It was accept this reduction, or nothing.

Didn't it pass with a veto-proof majority?

Representatives won't be picking the fight against governor since there's a chance that said governor might veto something else with their name on it. One hand rubs another in other words.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Jon_Lowtek » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

Buraksr wrote: post #34

Gigachad wrote: post #21

What is the justification for being able to change the terms after the votes have taken place?

My understanding is that it is more a consequence of politics than the system... Sure you have a veto proof majority on this bill, but what about what comes next? The governor is able to stop "tyranny of masses" by their veto power. Almost no bill in our partisan age is able to pass with a veto proof majority. So the governor has the ability to prevent good outcomes for specific members of their party in the legislat…

The Legislative is not a single person, who weights the options, who accepts the governors revision on behalf of the senate and assembly?

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by akira2501 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:57 AM UTC

Zuiii wrote: post #71

ammar2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

That's labor intensive. You could always set a threshold.. where if more than X% of your flights are canceled due to safety issues in any month, your maintenance operation gets fully audited.