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Ancient greece even earlier, yet the term "barbaric" still holds a delegate meaning in today's language.
Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
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#72Let’s hope these fuckers are stupid enough to post on social media. The punishment should be 10 years, not 6 months.
Eh, maybe that's taking it all a little too seriously. For all we know, the original art was the work of some ancient hooligans.
We don’t have very much evidence of ancient human art work around the world. Each one of them is precious.
To make it morally equivalent to graffiti is ridiculous.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the security established around it and the knowledge of what it was, I find it hard to believe that enough photos, samples, etc, weren't taken before this vandalism to have gained or have the capacity to gain any knowledge these drawings may provide.
You'd be surprised, especially since the security wasn't as tight to keep them out. There aren't as many archeologists or anthropologists as they are other types of researchers out there.
This is correct. There are hundreds of archaeological sites world-wide that have yet to be excavated, simply because archaeologists haven't had time to excavate them all.
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#74Does anyone have a full/clear image or a before and after? The best one I was able to find is the one in the article.
I googled a bit and you would not recognize it as art - it's basically a bunch of parallel lines made by multiple people dragging their hand over it in a straight line.
The lines cover thousands of square meters of the walls, and the vandalism is of a small portion.
I suspect the vandals did not even realize they were overwriting anything.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out . There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.
That makes no sense. How is defacing art helping fight climate change? How does that reduce emissions or remove CO2 from the atmosphere? It doesn't. Also, it's terrible PR for anyone advocating for people to change behaviour in order to reduce their environmental impact. So, I think it's safe to say they are doing more harm than good.
No art was defaced, they intentionally targeted art with protective covers, and if you are curious re: their rationale you can read it here https://juststopoil.org/2022/10/16/why-art-why-now/
excerpt:
> The painting is unharmed – the action was planned knowing it was properly protected. But there’s still been a huge outcry with people asking: why attack art? Why go after something as precious as human creativity, culture and beauty?
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#77Re: Vandals destroy 30k-year-old indigenous cave drawings in Australia
#78It's a shame that this happened, but it's not unsurprising. If you put a probability of loss on every relic of antiquity, they multiply out to a substantial amount of destruction every year. Ultimately it's a matter of cost. The cost to secure all of these pieces is extremely high. We won't be able to safeguard everything, but there are probably low hanging fruit in applying basic security measures to the items most…
The tragedy of heritage sites in Syria being blown up in the past few years by ISIS also comes to mind. Turkey plundered as much as possible before ISIS C4'd the sites.
Incredibly tragic.
It's a shame to see so much history being lost.
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#79Question for Australians here: is racism against aboriginals widespread in Australia? How does the govt work to prevent it?
Yeah I would say its quite a big problem, lots of people have derogatory views about first nations peoples. Government basically uses marketing tactics to portray us all as a big inclusive happy family, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also agree that we desperately need more attention on climate change. In addition to that, to my knowledge no art was actually damaged by climate change protestors (who mostly projected soup on a glass, not directly on paintings...)
That's not accurate. They did destroy actual art. After a quick google search: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campai... Is that really the kind of attention we need to the problem? Some lunatics destroying master pieces?
After a quick scan of the article you linked:
> ...Like the other targeted artworks, the painting was not damaged by the stunt...
This means that the artwork was not actually damaged, which is also exactly what the person you replied to said, so this article doesn't back up your claim at all