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Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by rsanchez1 »

corin_ wrote: post #5

I don't know if this is a difference between UK and US police tactics, or if it's specific to Portland - I also don't know if it's the case that the difference was caused by not caring as much or just by not being as successful: UK police have done a much better job in the past, and rendered this article nonsense. The key difference: > Since we had no clear destination, the police were unable to get ahead of us and s…

Budget is the biggest factor. That's why there will be no end to Occupy. It's a war of attrition. The Occupiers want to force anarchy across the U.S. by collapsing police departments in each city.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

jberryman wrote: post #66
oldstrangers wrote: post #40

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

> These people take themselves entirely too seriously. > ... > look at the Internet's success with GoDaddy and the few other companies changing their stance on SOPA. What exactly is your metric for success here? A sleazy company changed their stance on a bill that the public is completely unaware of and couldn't give two shits about? I think "the internet" is taking itself too seriously. Meanwhile a nation-wide prote…

THe discourse is mainly limited to the crazy antics of the protesters. They have proven profoundly incapable of delivering any coherent message.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by guelo »

oldstrangers wrote: post #40

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

I dont get the hatred that people like yourself have for the occupy protesters. If you think it is ineffective then you dont have to participate, they disagree and are not bothering you, you have no right telling people what to do.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by guelo »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #72
jberryman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These people take themselves entirely too seriously. > ... > look at the Internet's success with GoDaddy and the few other companies changing their stance on SOPA. What exactly is your metric for success here? A sleazy company changed their stance on a bill that the public is completely unaware of and couldn't give two shits about? I think "the internet" is taking itself too seriously. Meanwhile a nation-wide prote…

THe discourse is mainly limited to the crazy antics of the protesters. They have proven profoundly incapable of delivering any coherent message.

That is just wrong. The whole world now knows the 1% term now.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by ms4720 »

dotBen wrote: post #53
nerfhammer wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experiences with NYPD blockades as a passerby they typically forcefully imply rather than directly state you're not allowed through, and if you insist I've always seen them sheepishly give up.

The whole point with Kettling, which kinda makes it punitive, is that they are 100% clear that you are not leaving the enclosed pen they have created. Sometimes the kettling can go on for 6+ hrs and even with protestors demanding toilet breaks, water or medical issues from standing up for so long, the police have refused them to leave.

In the US I think that might come under false arrest or illegal imprisonment by the police.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by ms4720 »

quinndupont wrote: post #37
mhartl wrote: post #14

The military analogy is broken. The hack isn't to use the superiority of "light infantry" over "heavy infantry", etc. The reason the protestors can "take a park" even when the police oppose them is because they operate in a political system where the police can't fire on crowds. You probably think this is always a good thing. That's the hack.

They can't fire live rounds, but they sure can (and do) fire rubber bullets, flash grenades, tear gas, sound cannons, and tear gas.

Completely different situations:

1: worse case in current situation, I may break a bone or get a concussion followed with medical attention and bragging rights with my peers

2: fire bullets into crowd, lots of people die. Or think about using flame throwers for crowd control

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by cowkingdeluxe »

oldstrangers wrote: post #40

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

GoDaddy didn't actually change their congressional record of support.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by rdtsc »

oldstrangers wrote: post #40

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

> their ground breaking discovery...leave and then come back.

Or move around, don't give into the tendency to push against the line of the riot police. Not a bad idea. Sometimes obvious things because obvious only in retrospect.

> And maybe play some music.

Music in general is very effective at keeping up morale.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Post by shadowsun7 »

pvarangot wrote: post #51

Please if you think you will ever take part in a protest, for the sake of your own safety and that of your co-protestors, don't read this article. Or if you already did, don't take it seriously. It has a misleading title, and poor and dangerous content. Protests and police columns so don't work that way that it's actually dangerous for this to be on the front page and upvoted by so many people. I do agree with most o…

>It has a misleading title, and poor and dangerous content. Protests and police columns so don't work that way that it's actually dangerous for this to be on the front page and upvoted by so many people.

Why is his content wrong? I'm not saying it isn't - I just think more people would pay heed to your warning if you can give concrete reasons (plus, I'm curious).

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