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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by Nextgrid »

nsteel wrote: post #47
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

Over the last 10 years I've used Three a few times for a short while but their reception where I am (in London) has always been awful. However, most recently I tried their 5G home broadband. It worked pretty well but I found a much better deal with Virgin Media so I tried to cancel under their 30 day "money back guarantee" and I've never had such a headache. Their store staff repeatedly lied to my face that it didn't…

The truth is that there isn't any consumer-grade telecoms/ISP provider that doesn't have awful support. You need to go enterprise-grade for any kind of competent support, but the prices will follow as well. Only exception to this would be A&A when it comes to DSL, which offers great & competent service at somewhat affordable prices: https://www.aa.net.uk

Your best course of action is to never sign up to a contract (use the 30-day rolling plans) and be ready to switch at the slightest issue. For home/fixed-line, consider having 2 providers for redundancy so you don't lose connectivity while switching.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by EdwardDiego »

geraldwhen wrote: post #51
EdwardDiego wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the nanny fetish, although that seems to be rather particular to a certain class of people in the UK. That said, full credit on the nanny dog, Staffordshire bull terriers are amazing with children.

They’re certainly good at silencing children permanently.

Be sure to distinguish the English staffies from the American staffies. Very different dogs.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by varispeed »

tomxor wrote: post #70
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

That is somewhat true, but seeing people on the train, browsing internet or watching YouTube just fine, when you can't load anything tell a different story.

I even asked a few strangers what network they use and how come they have reception. This is the network I switched to eventually and indeed no more problems.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by LightG »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

Agreed. Which is weird, because they're supposed to be the data specialist in the UK. Ditched them a couple of years ago.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by tomxor »

varispeed wrote: post #73
tomxor wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

That is somewhat true, but seeing people on the train, browsing internet or watching YouTube just fine, when you can't load anything tell a different story. I even asked a few strangers what network they use and how come they have reception. This is the network I switched to eventually and indeed no more problems.

Yes, sometimes it really is just down to better coverage, but if it's a city, it's almost always covered well by all 3 providers.

> I even asked a few strangers what network they use and how come they have reception

However this is selection bias, you may actually have switched to a less popular network (which is better), or it could be coverage, it's hard to tell. The funny thing is that you can see how over time people will be switching back and forth between providers, even though there may actually be little change of coverage, any improvements could be more to do with movement of subscribers. Unfortunately 5G wont entirely eliminate this phenomenon because higher frequency comes with the disadvantage of being less penetrating to solid structures, so e.g in a train, or building people will sill be contending with each other over 4G quite often.

In the end, all that matters is what works, and you can only really test that empirically or by using other's to gauge performance as you did. Luckily you can now test 2 of the major UK networks without a contract, "Three" and "Vodafone" provide contract-less unlimmited month-to-month sim only through their sub-brands "Smarty" and "Voxi"... and I highly recommend using these over the main brand because you always have the flexibility to change quickly as network conditions change (I've switched between these two multiple times for a home LTE router due to changing user contention - which I've only inferred from the fact that there were no new towers in the area while maintaining the same RSRQ, and connecting to the same cell ids).

www.cellmapper.net is a good resource for roughly gauging coverage... but far better than any of the vague maps given on ISP sites, it actually shows you individual cells for each tower with rough directional areas, I've found it quite useful for debugging weird issues with antenna positioning on permanent LTE router setup due to locking onto bad towers (which unfortunately is not directly controllable on standard user equipment modems).

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by that_guy_iain »

callahad wrote: post #45
Raed667 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.

It shouldn't be the role of the ISP, but in the UK content blocking is legally mandated. E.g., "The Digital Economy Act 2017 placed the requirement for ISP filtering into law and introduced a requirement for ISPs to block pornographic sites with inadequate age verification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Porn and fraud are two very different things.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by IshKebab »

callahad wrote: post #45
Raed667 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.

It shouldn't be the role of the ISP, but in the UK content blocking is legally mandated. E.g., "The Digital Economy Act 2017 placed the requirement for ISP filtering into law and introduced a requirement for ISPs to block pornographic sites with inadequate age verification." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Yeah I'm not sure how much ISPs still bother with that. Up until a year or so ago my ISP was pretty good at blocking torrent sites but now I can visit e.g. 1337x.to with no problems.

I think this is talking about 3's adult content filter which is different and has existed for ages and has always been shit (I assume most people disable it).

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by cjrp »

tomxor wrote: post #70
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time. This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in…

I used to have this problem at major stations like London Bridge. Full 4G signal bars, but no actual throughput. Seems to have gotten better lately, not sure if that's the effect of 5G or reduced passengers due to WFH.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by MDTHLN »

Nextgrid wrote: post #71
nsteel wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the last 10 years I've used Three a few times for a short while but their reception where I am (in London) has always been awful. However, most recently I tried their 5G home broadband. It worked pretty well but I found a much better deal with Virgin Media so I tried to cancel under their 30 day "money back guarantee" and I've never had such a headache. Their store staff repeatedly lied to my face that it didn't…

The truth is that there isn't any consumer-grade telecoms/ISP provider that doesn't have awful support. You need to go enterprise-grade for any kind of competent support, but the prices will follow as well. Only exception to this would be A&A when it comes to DSL, which offers great & competent service at somewhat affordable prices: https://www.aa.net.uk Your best course of action is to never sign up to a contract (u…

In regards to ISP’s, I’ve had a lot of luck with some of the new fibre networks.

HyperOptic (who run their own networks) and Zen Internet (CityFibre) have both been excellent for me.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by BoxOfRain »

cloutchaser wrote: post #24
Throwaway3user wrote: post #21

When I am roaming, I notice lots of google results that are HTTP go through a couple of redirects to end up being "age-restricted".

Welcome to the Uk nanny state, where safety rules above all else.

I remember reading one poll during the pandemic where a quarter of Britons wanted nightclubs to shut permanently even after the threat of the virus had subsided. For the Vernon Dursley archetype it's not enough for themselves to be allowed to live a very beige and conventional life but everyone else must be made to as well.
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