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Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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The economist has a great write-up of Ron Paul: http://www.economist.com/node/21542199/

How was that a great writeup when it discounts him in the first paragraph, using adjectives like wacky, radical, no-hoper and quirky? I was expecting it to be an objective look at Ron Paul's policies by Economist.

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I don't understand why davidw has been downvoted. Ron Paul maybe a principled politician, but his views/past actions on the issues of racism, homosexuality and science and technology policy don't stand up to scrutiny. While some of his policies may be laudable, he also has plenty of stuff that can be categorized as insane. I don't want to start a political flamewar on HN, so all I'm trying to say is that there are va…

I didn't make any comments about Ron Paul; I just pointed out the use of "sane" to mean "things I agree with", which is indicative of a debate that's not headed anywhere good.

I absolutely agree: things have gone in that direction and this simply isn't the forum for it, as such I've flagged the submission.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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against abortion This is false. He absolutely opposes anti-abortion (or pro- for that matter) legislation at the federal level. He is personally opposed to abortion, and he'd like to see states forbid it. But since we're talking about him with respect to a national office, his views of what states should do shouldn't matter too much. I think you'll find that in almost every way, he wants to get the federal government…

You just said that Ron Paul is not against abortion, but that he is opposed to it.

megablast said he wants laws... against abortion and CWuestefeld pointed out that, although he doesn't like it, he doesn't support federal laws against it.

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I'm not sure about how much more expensive it is, but if I lived in a hurricane-prone area I would probably investigate it and consider it a cost of living there. Otherwise, if I can just get bailed out by the federal gov't when disaster strikes, those who choose to live in the safer areas of the country are essentially subsidizing the risks I assume by living there. Think of it as a negative externality (stretching…

The free market doesn't owe you anything indeed, but society , which the government represents, is a very different thing. Sorry, I'm European and hardcore US "free-marketism" is so incredibly alien from here... I mean, the free market wouldn't ever give me 24 days of paid vacation every year, so why should I want more of it?

Maybe you should make yourself valuable enough to actually earn 24 days of vacation a year?

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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I'm not sure about how much more expensive it is, but if I lived in a hurricane-prone area I would probably investigate it and consider it a cost of living there. Otherwise, if I can just get bailed out by the federal gov't when disaster strikes, those who choose to live in the safer areas of the country are essentially subsidizing the risks I assume by living there. Think of it as a negative externality (stretching…

The free market doesn't owe you anything indeed, but society , which the government represents, is a very different thing. Sorry, I'm European and hardcore US "free-marketism" is so incredibly alien from here... I mean, the free market wouldn't ever give me 24 days of paid vacation every year, so why should I want more of it?

What right do people have - even poor people - to demand that everyone else in society pay for damage to their homes? At least with insurance, the amount paid in is related to the probability * amount paid out. But if something is covered by the government, I'd pay a fixed amount in my taxes regardless of the risks I personally would be taking. So in that case, what would my incentive be to minimize risk? Anything bad that happens will be taken care of by other people.

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I used to be interested in what he had to say until I saw this: http://murphysbride.tumblr.com/post/14876601176/bacon-beer-a... I don't know how credible this is but it leaves me doubtful.

I don't know how credible this is but it leaves me doubtful. Without checking out each quote, I believe the answer is that it's generally accurate, but you need to understand what these represent. First, there's the normal crap about taking things out of context... But more specifically, these are decidedly not things that Paul ever said or wrote. These are things that somebody else wrote in a newsletter that was usi…

Jeremiah Wright isn't my cup of tea, either, but 'anti-American'? That's absurd.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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He says "no" a lot because the federal gov't has become way too bloated. There already is a free market solution to your scenario - it's called "insurance".

I'm intrigued. Who should have taken out insurance in the case of Katrina, for example?

Anyone living in an area where a flood is possible.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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I used to be interested in what he had to say until I saw this: http://murphysbride.tumblr.com/post/14876601176/bacon-beer-a... I don't know how credible this is but it leaves me doubtful.

it's bs. he had a 30 year career in politics, if he was really a racist, there'd be some video proof to support it of him actually saying this...or hell anything else to support that...but there isn't + then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8... the bottom line, is that if the worst thing that they'd been able to dig up about him, are some comments from ~20 years ago that weren't…

I have a hard time accepting that answer.

Those quotes were taken directly from these newsletters

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rXxdXLObxdk/TvFkFgQzpSI/AAAAAAAAFh...

It has his name, his face, and says by Ron Paul

He also benefited financially for over 2 decades from these newsletters. You had to write a check to Ron Paul to get these newsletters

example

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vT7kX8KDLI4/TvFnrfhhwVI/AAAAAAAAFk...

So as far as I am concerned, after viewing the physical evidence, I conclude Ron Paul made large sums of money from distributing and claiming at the time to write, hate speech, promoting misogyny, and promoting fringe conspiracy theories, in an effort to scare people into sending him money. Reminds me of how Glenn Beck operates.

Ron Paul's excuses today lead me to conclude he is either lying, or completely incompetent, and would not have the ability to lead a Cabinet effectively. In other words unfit to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

EDIT: I see the downvotes flying in. I provided evidence of the claim. Sorry to see his hero worship is so strong that people will ignore factual hard evidence. Kind of pathetic really. This reminds me of the circlejerks over at Reddit... thought the people over here were a few steps above that base level of ignorance.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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post #29

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The free market doesn't owe you anything indeed, but society , which the government represents, is a very different thing. Sorry, I'm European and hardcore US "free-marketism" is so incredibly alien from here... I mean, the free market wouldn't ever give me 24 days of paid vacation every year, so why should I want more of it?

I read this as follows: "I should force people, at the threat of violence, to give me 24 days of paid vacation." That's pretty much what you are saying. I agree with you: the free market doesn't provide everything but that is what charity is for. Government is not charity. What kind of charity is it when they will send you to jail or bankrupt you for not tithing on time or enough?

The problems with charity as a model for providing what is provided currently by the government is that it is basically dictated by being able to make a plea to people with enough spare money to donate.

So if a billionaire for example has a relative who suffers from a rare type of cancer for example they will be likely to donate a disproportionately massive amount of money to research and care for that particular type of cancer, or perhaps they find one particular endangered species particularly cute and will donate the money to the preservation of that particular species. They might also be opposed to environmentalists or hate gay people so will donate no money at all to environmental causes or treatment of aids victims.

If their income is 1000x that of the average person they basically get 1000x the say in what is important (actually perhaps more since their cost of living will likely be lower as a % of income).

This money might be used far more efficiently when some kind of justification is required in terms of providing the widest amount of help throughout society or the world as a whole.

In addition allot of the "free market" type people that I know are quite opposed to the idea of charity anyway, although I think this may be somewhat different in the US.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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I used to be interested in what he had to say until I saw this: http://murphysbride.tumblr.com/post/14876601176/bacon-beer-a... I don't know how credible this is but it leaves me doubtful.

I don't know how credible this is but it leaves me doubtful. Without checking out each quote, I believe the answer is that it's generally accurate, but you need to understand what these represent. First, there's the normal crap about taking things out of context... But more specifically, these are decidedly not things that Paul ever said or wrote. These are things that somebody else wrote in a newsletter that was usi…

Here's a nice break-down of exactly why the newsletter debacle is so damning (and how it contrasts with how Wright was handled):

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/12/re-thinking-...

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