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The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's where the term "salary" came from, if I'm not mistaken. Roman thing?

Also, the phrase "worth their salt". It's funny how sometimes these things are hidden in plain sight. I bet the average person would expect a more complex etymology for that phrase.

I wonder how difficult it would be to extract this kind of evolutionary history from LLMs.

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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The actual title of this article is "The warrior monks who invented banking", but there is a fairly extensive literature on Roman banking dating back at least 1000 years previously:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_finance

In particular, the Sulpicii of Puteoli left some records of what look like modern banking practices:

https://www.world-archaeology.com/books/bankers-of-puteoli-t...

> "Much of the business of the Sulpicii consisted of short term loans, of amounts ranging from £1,000 to £20,000 and for periods of up to a month – for the sake of simplicity, I am reckoning a sesterce as being the equivalent of £1. A number of loans took place at auction sales – for these were a large part of the activity of a Roman forum – a Roman forum must have been very much like e-Bay. A banking house would manage the auction and supply immediate payment to the vendor, but would allow the purchaser several days to pay; if more time was needed, this could be provided at a cost."

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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Too bad so few popular and reliable records exist, as I would be really interested in what their leverage ratio was for loans to deposits, what calendar they used to synchronize everywhere in the world (presumably astronomical), whether the Templars picked it up by learning and adapting Islamic Hawala during the crusades, what the Medicis did differently (covered a bit in Fergusson's The Ascent of Money). The necessa…

    > whether the Templars picked it up by learning and adapting Islamic Hawala during the crusades
Doubtful. Money lenders/changers existed long before Islam (something about Jesus flipping their tables over in the Temple), and Hawala from my understanding is a flat commission based service (not interest based), since usury is forbidden.

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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If you ever come to London I would highly recommend a visit to that area[1]. take the district line to "Temple" and walk into temple court. This is a set of interconnecting pretty courtyards surrounded by buildings used as offices for lawyers working at the nearby high court. These courtyards have a feel similar to an Oxford/Cambridge college and have been used as settings for "Harry Potter" and other films (to give…

Just as the City of London is a weird little legal fossil within London, the Inns are even weirder legal fossils within the City:

https://www.middletemple.org.uk/about-us/freedom-information...

The practical consequences are extremely minor - but the Inner and Middle temples can give themselves planning permission, and issue themselves alcohol licenses!

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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You could name them, because I have no idea if you're referring to modern-day bankers, the lawyers who took over their premises, or some other organisation.

He can only mean the Templi Resurgentes Equites Synarchici. The less said of whom, the better.

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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I can't wait for "Assassin's Creed: Excel" to really capture the spirit of this.

for now, you can play Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Sword:_The_Shadow_of_th...

This game happens to be free on gog.com today:

https://www.gog.com/#giveaway

scroll down a little

Re: The Knights Templar started London's first bank (2017)

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Too bad so few popular and reliable records exist, as I would be really interested in what their leverage ratio was for loans to deposits, what calendar they used to synchronize everywhere in the world (presumably astronomical), whether the Templars picked it up by learning and adapting Islamic Hawala during the crusades, what the Medicis did differently (covered a bit in Fergusson's The Ascent of Money). The necessa…

> whether the Templars picked it up by learning and adapting Islamic Hawala during the crusades Doubtful. Money lenders/changers existed long before Islam (something about Jesus flipping their tables over in the Temple), and Hawala from my understanding is a flat commission based service (not interest based), since usury is forbidden.

Christianity forbids usury as well, hence why hawala seemed like a plausible candidate system for how the Templar banking system may have scaled. Interest calculations are complicated, where something simple like a commission scales easily. Given what we know now about economics and how systems scale, it seems like there is a systems view of the necessary conditions that might shed some new light on some history that has a lot of woo around it.
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