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Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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I think WindowsServer2003R2 was the best OS Microsoft ever made, then XP >SP2 and Windows2000, then Win7.

As to "the best OS Microsoft has ever made," it was OS/2 (which they abandoned in favor of the "hugely successful" Windows 3.0 which was clearly inferior on all technical accounts).

That was made by IBM AND Microsoft, but if we go so far Xenix was the best os MS ever made/buy'd ;)

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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really? who, when? I have actually lived through that era, and I can't remember there being negative sentiment about XP. I don't know about the dark corners of the internet, but the people in my circles were neutral about XP, hated Vista, loved 7, hated 8, hated 10 and hate 11 to this day, the only criticism of XP I saw is about the UI, which doesn't make sense to me - switching it was a matter of 3 clicks

As did I. I was excited for everything until 8. I even liked Vista, since I was installing it on a real computer and not a 256MB shitbox. Still miss Vista's ability to dock My Computer as a desktop toolbar.

Incorrect. Nor you or anyone else liked Vista. There's a video of one of the lead engineers describing how they use the "fail fast" mantra. They sure did.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems pls, or run the only in airgapped and isolated network segments with application whitelisting and manual data ingress/egress controls, and everything will be fine without these silly updates. Just bury the body already, let winxp rest in peace, please

I agree. But am I the only one using an Android phone from 2017 that hasn't been able to update its OS for a couple years now? It's also cracked and I lost it yesterday.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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That's what they said about XP when it came out.

really? who, when? I have actually lived through that era, and I can't remember there being negative sentiment about XP. I don't know about the dark corners of the internet, but the people in my circles were neutral about XP, hated Vista, loved 7, hated 8, hated 10 and hate 11 to this day, the only criticism of XP I saw is about the UI, which doesn't make sense to me - switching it was a matter of 3 clicks

After some of the newer anti-telemetry tools like O&O ShutUp and WDP, I find Windows 10 to have similar parity with Windows 7 in terms of snappiness and simplicity. Yes, it takes work that one shouldn't have to do, but at least all the usual Windows features (like moving the taskbar) are present, patches are frequent, and there are no longer any major breaking changes with updates. So for now at least I'm happy on 10, and not looking forward to 11...

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Give me a new Windows that isn't dripping with contempt for the user.

1990s Microsoft: "Where do you want to go today?" 2020s Microsoft: "Where do we want you to go today?"

I miss the all the research that went into developing 95's UI. So much effort went into making computers usable and discoverable for the lay person. The user was the focus of the OS. Seems a little less so now, especially with some of the usability that went away with 11.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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I am very curious of how long it would take to be ‘pwned’ whilst browsing the web with internet explorer on XP. Seconds, minutes, hours? Time to fire up a VM I think.

If you turn off JS and all the other features (ActiveX, etc.) that should've never been allowed on anything other than sites you fully trust, probably a very long time. I wonder how much malware now just refuses to run on XP because it attempts to use functions that were introduced in later versions.

If I was going to attempt this with a VM, maybe I would try to perform a checksum on every file first then recheck everything after an hour (from a powered down state) and look for changes. I would be concerned that any malware would simply be a downloader for something which is undetectable to AV.

Probably the wrong place to ask, but this seems like such a fun experiment to try but maybe more difficult than I initially thought.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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I could see staying with Windows 7. That was the best version Microsoft ever made. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it stable, and it didn't have all the ad and cloud crap nailed in. You can run current Firefox, current Thunderbird, and current LibreOffice, which covers the basics. Most Windows software still works.

I always thought XP + >=ServPack2 was the best.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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I could see staying with Windows 7. That was the best version Microsoft ever made. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it stable, and it didn't have all the ad and cloud crap nailed in. You can run current Firefox, current Thunderbird, and current LibreOffice, which covers the basics. Most Windows software still works.

> That was the best version Microsoft ever made No. 7 was a rollback on Vista. The best one which was not a step back but rather a step forward was Windows 2000. (Some even swear by NT4, which I feel also has some merit.)

It wasn't really a rollback, but instead a bit more stable from Vista having taken all the flack for the changes like a lightning rod.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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> That was the best version Microsoft ever made No. 7 was a rollback on Vista. The best one which was not a step back but rather a step forward was Windows 2000. (Some even swear by NT4, which I feel also has some merit.)

Yes, 2000 was by far my favorite Windows. Very solid, very clean style. I have a burning hatred for the visual design of Windows 7 (and Vista to a lesser degree) - it may have been technically great, but the design felt appropriate for a toothpaste, not for an operating system. I could only stand XP with the 2000 style as well. What the hell were they thinking?

You can switch Win7 to classic theme and pretend it's an improved Win95. That's what I do in my VMs since I don't need to be burning cycles and RAM on eyecandy.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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I could see staying with Windows 7. That was the best version Microsoft ever made. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it stable, and it didn't have all the ad and cloud crap nailed in. You can run current Firefox, current Thunderbird, and current LibreOffice, which covers the basics. Most Windows software still works.

I'm still running it on a PC I use all the time and it's great. I do use 0patch and some other tricks to mitigate the obvious downside. If Win10 had a permanent off switch for all telemetry and better control over upbreak timing I'd switch... starting to run into software I care about dropping support (the Chrome deadline coming up is heartbreaking).
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