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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Facebook layoffs incoming in 3…2…1… Nobody else has reported on this issue yet so hopefully this is accurate.

Don't be so pessimistic, I'm sure the Metaverse will take off any day now.

The 6 people who showed up at the EU's metaverse gala party agree!

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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If they can't show good ads in Europe, I assume that they will lose money and eventually have to close down here. I think that users have a right to know what happens to their data. But this is not a consent or information screen, this is the end of it. Europe tells us they do this for our own good, so we can own our data, but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service. Basically they…

I wouldn’t assume they will no longer be able to show good ads. Ads don’t require tracking to work and there’s plenty of ad-targetable signal that Facebook users give the platform while using the service. For example, if you join a cycling-in-Berlin group, they can still use that information to show you ads for protein bars and lederhosen.

But that would lower the ad brokers' profit margins!

It would allow producers of quality content to charge a premium for their ad impression inventory.

Careful, this is a slippery slope: Soon you'll be arguing some other anti-monopoly nonsense, like for open access journals, or that lederhosen manufacturers should be able to sell off Amazon at a discount.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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I hope Facebook doesn't survive another 5. But I won't hold my breath. Still amusing just a few years ago Facebook was described as a world government due to the influence they had. Maybe they still have that, but I've just detached myself from it to see it.

Facebook will still be around in 5 years. The question is whether it will be relevant. People make the comparison to MySpace, because it's the most comparable service - Facebook de-throned it as the king of social media. And incidentally, MySpace is still around. They survived the de-throning by pivoting, which is inevitably what Facebook will do. I think we've seen the groundwork for it already.

Facebook's future isn't in the social media space though. Most of their endeavors are in VR and other cutting edge technologies, hence the name change to Meta. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the writing on the walls years ago. They've been hiring AI, and VR researchers for years now and are the industry leader in VR at least.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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> Pure nostalgia seeing that Instagram app icon I really miss the skeumophic design of the iOS ecosystem from the early-to-mid 2010's. It felt so premium, especially with the retina display which was miles ahead of basically everything else (especially desktops and laptops of the era).

I had to check the retina remark as my Sony Z5 premium came in mind with the 800+ppi but even before that in 2013 I had z Sony Z1 with 440ppi and I'm pretty sure other manufacturers had high dpi screens since 2010 eg. sharp's ISO3 . So "miles ahead" is not true plus I believe iphones had other manufacturing tricks that helped in the "retina" marketing hype, I believe touch/display elements been closer together etc. N…

Apple certainly deserves credit for mainstreaming some things, but they get a lot of undue credit for originating them. I have seen so many people saying that Apple or Steve Jobs invented the smartphone. :rolling_eyes:

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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I had to check the retina remark as my Sony Z5 premium came in mind with the 800+ppi but even before that in 2013 I had z Sony Z1 with 440ppi and I'm pretty sure other manufacturers had high dpi screens since 2010 eg. sharp's ISO3 . So "miles ahead" is not true plus I believe iphones had other manufacturing tricks that helped in the "retina" marketing hype, I believe touch/display elements been closer together etc. N…

The hype was what actually brought the feature to users, not only the entire apple product line was quickly featuring it, but it also forced marched the entire ecosystem. Sony might had the hardware feature, they did not had their entire product line, neither 1rst citizen support from everyone. I really wish people understood that, because it's what it takes to become a giant like apple, and what will be required to…

We’ll it brought a new marketing term on the table - high dpi was not enough I guess - with a feature aside because this is what modern apple does.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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> Facebook might be (rapidly) declining From Meta's Q3 earnings release[0]: > Facebook daily active users [...] were 1.98 billion on average for September 2022, an increase of 3% year-over-year. [0] https://investor.fb.com/financials/default.aspx

Yes, those numbers look fine, but have a closer look. Check page 14, Monthly Active Users: They have slightly risen in the US, slightly decreased in Europe, strong growth in Asia and RoW. Compare that to page 15, Average Revenue per User: US around $49, EU $14, Asia $4.4, RoW is $3.2. Those numbers are also decreasing for the US and EU. So for each user you lose in the US or the EU, you'll need 3 to 10 new users in A…

They cannot grow much in any case. When half of the world's population is a facebook-user they could double at best. Doubling isn't the kind of growth expected from this kind of company, so they have to try crazy things like metaverse, or they would soon be valued like a utility.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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> Pure nostalgia seeing that Instagram app icon I really miss the skeumophic design of the iOS ecosystem from the early-to-mid 2010's. It felt so premium, especially with the retina display which was miles ahead of basically everything else (especially desktops and laptops of the era).

I thought the world decided that skeuomorphism was bad in and of itself and was merely a stepping stone to more usable designs? I seem to remember there was something on the front page of Hacker News years ago talking about just how much of a relic it has become because modern design paradigms were just so much better. I tried to find the link but this was the closest I could come up with: https://blog.prototypr.io/i…

oh, yes! i remember those angry troll comments on HN as well. as if flattening all UI was the only thing that mattered and everything else was skeuomorphism.

no sweetie, not everything needs to be a pictogram. and everything you see or use online is skeuomorphism off of something in the physical world at some level. yeah, that flat design also.

Edit: Added "at some level" after helpful comments below.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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> Pure nostalgia seeing that Instagram app icon I really miss the skeumophic design of the iOS ecosystem from the early-to-mid 2010's. It felt so premium, especially with the retina display which was miles ahead of basically everything else (especially desktops and laptops of the era).

I thought the world decided that skeuomorphism was bad in and of itself and was merely a stepping stone to more usable designs? I seem to remember there was something on the front page of Hacker News years ago talking about just how much of a relic it has become because modern design paradigms were just so much better. I tried to find the link but this was the closest I could come up with: https://blog.prototypr.io/i…

Yup. There’s a reason why skeuomorphism died with Steve Jobs.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Glad to see that they do address the issue that for a company as big as Meta, it just ends up being a cost of doing business rather than a limitation on tracking.

Fines escalate when you keep breaking the same rules. Cost of doing business is fine when you can stop, but tracking is central to Meta’s business model.

fines escalate even further, when one pretends theyve stopped, but actually found a way to hide it
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