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Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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darawk wrote: post #51
ot wrote: post #34

Can we change the title to say Python-like or something similar? Based on the comments so far, it seems that the detail that it compiles its own Python-inspired language, not actual Python, is lost on many. EDIT: A list of differences here: https://docs.exaloop.io/codon/general/differences The summary minimizes with "many Python programs will work with few if any modifications", but it actually looks like a substanti…

That list actually seems genuinely pretty minimal. Reading your comment I was expecting a long major list of changes, but it's only 3 things, most of which seem relatively unlikely to impact most programs, with the possible exception of dictionary sort order.

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Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by otikik »

ot wrote: post #34

Can we change the title to say Python-like or something similar? Based on the comments so far, it seems that the detail that it compiles its own Python-inspired language, not actual Python, is lost on many. EDIT: A list of differences here: https://docs.exaloop.io/codon/general/differences The summary minimizes with "many Python programs will work with few if any modifications", but it actually looks like a substanti…

Pythonic?

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by arshajii »

memco wrote: post #50
IceHegel wrote: post #9

would love to see actual benchmarks

Don't have anything significant, but giving this a quick test with some of my advent of code solutions I found it to be quite a bit slower: time python day_2.py ________________________________________________________ Executed in 57.25 millis fish external usr time 25.02 millis 52.00 micros 24.97 millis sys time 25.01 millis 601.00 micros 24.41 millis time codon run -release day_2.py _________________________________…

I would guess the bulk of the time is being spent in compilation. You might try "codon build -release day_2.py" then "time ./day_2" to measure just runtime.

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by Waterluvian »

ot wrote: post #34

Can we change the title to say Python-like or something similar? Based on the comments so far, it seems that the detail that it compiles its own Python-inspired language, not actual Python, is lost on many. EDIT: A list of differences here: https://docs.exaloop.io/codon/general/differences The summary minimizes with "many Python programs will work with few if any modifications", but it actually looks like a substanti…

The main challenge with those three issues, to me at least, is that it cannot even tell you, "yep, you need minor changes for Codon to work." It'll just work until it doesn't at runtime because your violates one of those three assumptions. So to migrate, we would have to go and figure out all the possible cases those things matter and guard against them. Not really unpalatable, just not so much a nice migration path.

Also, I'm not actually sure what they mean by internal dict sorting. Do they mean insertion order stability?

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by mywittyname »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #53
redleader55 wrote: post #5

Free for non-production use... it's a "no" for me.

Surprised this sentiment is so common. It's like, do you want open source devs to work for free forever? Even Redis had to pivot to a business license. I'm not sure what the terms are in this particular case, but in general, wanting someone to pay if they're deploying it to lots of customers seems reasonable.

A lot of developers don't have/control budgets and might not have the clout required to get a tool like this approved.

I agree that the devs of these tools need to be paid, but that particular avenue presents some roadblocks.

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by shadowofneptune »

This gives the same feeling as AssemblyScript: it says it is one language, up to the point it isn't. That may make it easier for some people, but feels so uncertain. Both have a very slim set of articles in place of a proper manual; they lean on their parent languages.

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by killingtime74 »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #19

Do people not know about numba which unlike this project is FOSS and integrates with numpy???

Doesn't it require you to annotate every function if you want to compile to a binary? That makes it more like Cython than this. https://numba.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/pycc.html#overvi...

Re: Codon: A high-performance Python-like compiler using LLVM

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Post by dang »

ot wrote: post #34

Can we change the title to say Python-like or something similar? Based on the comments so far, it seems that the detail that it compiles its own Python-inspired language, not actual Python, is lost on many. EDIT: A list of differences here: https://docs.exaloop.io/codon/general/differences The summary minimizes with "many Python programs will work with few if any modifications", but it actually looks like a substanti…

Ok, we've liked it in the title above.
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