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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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When I was in high school, one of the "popular" kids used to talk a bit odd on purpose and sure, it generated a bit of a chuckle at first, but he kept doing it and a lot of kids also adopted a similar vocal tic to seem like they were part of the cool group as well. Monkey see, monkey do.

Stop trying to make tourette happen! It's NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

There may be a relation to military conditioning. I spent just a single week at a military academy introductory program in high school and when I returned home I was "uncontrollably" (if I thought about it I could avoid doing it, but if I was on autopilot it happened by itself) squaring my corners and calling my family "sir" and "ma'am". The thing was, those patterns were my entire life for that week, and they were very deliberately drilled into me. Eventually they faded because they weren't reinforced outside of the academy (if anything, they were "deinforced"), but there may be a connection here.

If someone spends many hours a day watching someone with particular quirks, it doesn't seem surprising (drawing parallels here to my experience) that those quirks may transfer because their brain starts to make those associations through observation. I would expect that stopping watching that particular person would probably let the transferred tics decay over a period of time (I'd give it a month).

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

All behavior is total behavior, so it doesn’t really matter. Article makes the point that this is attention seeking behavior and often used as an excuse to avoid unpleasant tasks. Whether the teens are aware they are choosing the tic, eventually it becomes habitual and they “can’t stop”. Except they can after meeting with a trained phycologist. Get to the root of the behavior and usually the behavior goes away.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

High performance people have been saying this for generations.

Surround yourself with positive, talented people to keep your mind clean.

Hell even vogue and trash mags call out 'energy vampires' (lol) but it's all the same thing.

I legit decided to not listen to gangster rap in the 90s because a dude said to me 'that shit will warp your mind ' but I realized all music and influences do that.

So books it was...god I was a nerd!

I cut the cord on much of it early on, mostly because the value was terrible (aka music industry in the 90s was just bad value).

Now it's the odd anime that had a deep story that pulls me in...and lectures..Holy fug I love watching smart people talk :)

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Since there is a school of thought that gender to a great extent is socially learned behaviour the idea that you by learning more about gender transgression would "create" a desire that "I would be more comfortable in 'that gender' over there" is not far-fetched although I'm not aware of any research. The issue is mostly by those who pathologize that state of not being comfortable in ones "gender assigned at birth",…

How can there ever be an informed transition with something like shifting genders?

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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> mass sociogenic illness > Over the past 2 years, a remarkably high number of young patients have been referred to our specialized Tourette outpatient clinic > A large number of young people across different countries How many exactly? Without numbers, calling it mass-anything is blowing this way out of proportion. So called fakeDisorderCringe has been a thing for a while, thanks to TikTok. But is there any sign tha…

If it's an unconscious thing which transfers into "real life", that seems potentially important. It raises the question of what other unconscious behaviours (potentially harmful) are picked up in a similar way? Definitely an interesting starting point for further research.

> If it's an unconscious thing which transfers into "real life", that seems potentially important.

Humans of all ages copy behavior they see in (social) media. Not every unusual behavior should be classified as mental illness.

> Definitely an interesting starting point for further research.

Maybe, but for psychology and sociology, not psychiatry and brain science.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not worth saying, it's not worth vagueposting about either.

It's worth saying but if I say it the comment gets flagged and no one gets to read it.

I always read flagged comments, and I vouch for them when I feel they've been unfairly flagged (or when they're from banned accounts that are automatically flagged, but the comment is unobjectionable).

This is however a tacit admission that what you have to say is against the guidelines of this site and that, were you to let it compete in the market place of ideas, it would be fail completely.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Could people feel dismissive towards your opinion because it sounds like confabulation, rather than a carefully reasoned argument based on data that could spawn a good faith discussion?

> What's interesting to me

Shower thought, then

> This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that...

Alright you win!

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