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Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

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Post by richbell »

ghiculescu wrote: post #24
compiskey wrote: post #12

But are they? https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/05/fears-over-fa...

I read both links. This one sounds like a bunch of woke people unhappy that mens health is getting attention. The other study sounds legitimate.

I thought you were being hyperbolic but the linked article and study does seem to miss the forest for the trees.

Surely it's possible to acknowledge the flaws of a measure without devolving into ideological and cultural warfare?

> In addition, they argued that the design of the 2017 study relied on racist and colonial hierarchies and assumptions because it categorized data as “Western” sperm counts or “Other” sperm counts.

> Further, the claims of decline were based on a “species optimum” of Anglophone developed nations of the 1970s, which the researchers argued was scientifically unsound. The GenderSci Lab team warned that this kind of Eurocentric focus has been used by alt-right, white supremacist, and men’s rights activists to argue that the health and fertility of men in Western nations is being threatened, particularly by feminist and anti-racist movements.

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Post by highstep »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #34

> Swan also recommends reducing exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals by being a savvy consumer Most hygiene products get away with listing diethyl phthalate as 'Parfum'. What we need is not savvy consumers what we need is regulators to get serious.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_phthalate

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Post by luckylion »

HideousKojima wrote: post #13

Non-paywalled link: https://archive.ph/AfzEs I've heard a lot of theories about what is causing this, the most common being plastics, increased sugar consumption, more people worldwide being overweight/obese, more people worldwide being sedentary/less physically active, exposure to various harmful chemicals, and more. I'd assume it's probably a combination of several factors, but similar to plummeting male testostero…

> I don't see this as likely to get anywhere near the amount of attention and funding from various governments and organizations around the world as it would if it were affecting female health.

Which is understandable in the end, male expendability is a thing. As long as it doesn't affect literally all males, it's a health issue and a social problem, but it's not a "humanity will cease to exist" problem; the men who are less affected can father more children.

If reproduction was limited because women's infertility exploded, it would be a different issue. The ones who are fertile can't simply bear 50 babies in a year to make up for it.

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Post by andai »

HideousKojima wrote: post #54
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>to get testosterone to normal level, How does one do that exactly?

Lose weight, eat less sugar, be more physically active/work out, and avoid endocrine disruptors like xenoestrogens. The last one is probably the hardest to do since a lot of plastics etc. contain them.

Getting plenty of deep sleep is crucial too. Sleep deprivation is murder on test levels.

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Post by bhouston »

vinyl7 wrote: post #56
JPKab wrote: post #43

The lack of federally funded research on this topic is astounding. It's been like this for a long time, but ignored. Even more notably has been the lack of curiosity from the media and academia. They simply shrug and move on, as if the root cause of this isn't something we should look into as potentially causing other problems that are even worse. Edit: The downvotes without any comment refuting this highlight the is…

Well I mean, given the public discourse of the past decade...it seems to me that they want the population to decline. So it makes sense that no one has in interest in investigating this.

"they want the population to decline"

Who is "they"?

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Post by willcipriano »

jehb wrote: post #49
willcipriano wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you intend to become elderly? Perhaps not so great news in 50 years when you are looking for a nursing home.

This comments feels a little ambiguous, and driving replies for two separate issues. At a societal level, is an imbalanced population pyramid a problem? Yes, and many countries are solving this by opening up immigration options. Should an individual opting not to have children be expected to have negative consequences in old age? IMHO, no.

> opening up immigration options

Unless they are getting immigrants from off world, that is at best a game of musical chairs. Birth rates are plummeting globally.

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

HideousKojima wrote: post #13

Non-paywalled link: https://archive.ph/AfzEs I've heard a lot of theories about what is causing this, the most common being plastics, increased sugar consumption, more people worldwide being overweight/obese, more people worldwide being sedentary/less physically active, exposure to various harmful chemicals, and more. I'd assume it's probably a combination of several factors, but similar to plummeting male testostero…

I think it's frankly weird to see what is clearly a male health issue and make a jab at women's health funding when its not like the article was talking about comparing to women's issues. This is very whataboutism.

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Post by balls187 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #9
willcipriano wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you intend to become elderly? Perhaps not so great news in 50 years when you are looking for a nursing home.

Have enough investments and fiat to not be the poor sucker who can’t pay for help end of life as the young, productive cohort compresses.

And hope when you age out, you keep your mental faculty strong enough you don’t get taken advantage of.

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Post by fullstackchris »

andai wrote: post #67
Inviz wrote: post #8

I had a test recently and I have 0% "normal" sperms, when 4%-14% is the normal range. Pretty radical. The doctor said to take vitamins, to get testosterone to normal level, and to excercise. In other words not much to do

Am I reading this right that the average person has 86-96% abnormal sperm?

Also interested... seems insanely high
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