The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra • Hacker News Board

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by dagmx » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

maeln wrote: post #13

This is still crazy to me that most (all?) smartwatch cannot get past ~50m WR when I can buy a basic casio for a fraction of the cost with 100m to 200m WR. But then I guess using a tactile screen underwater is pretty hard. I really don't see the Apple Watch being use has anything but a gadget for diving. edit: so the apple watch ultra has a WR of 100m. I stand corrected.

The Apple Watch Ultra is rated to 100m.

Recreational diving is regulated to 40m. The app follows the latter.

It is unlikely your Casio would be rated for recreational diving beyond the same limits either

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by mynameisvlad » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

sfusato wrote: post #3

This is great for the scuba community as it will cause other brands to innovate and most importantly bring diving to a wider audience which will help the sport as a whole which will hopefully raise awareness about endangered underwater ecosystems in the long-run.

Will it? I doubt it, honestly.

Huish, the makers of this app, own the majority of big names in the industry. The reason it’s called Oceanic+ is because they own Oceanic. Along with Apollo, Bare, Ollis, Zeagle and a few others. Interestingly, they don’t believe enough in this app to brand it Suunto, their more current dive watch brand.

My fear is the next Suunto watch will have subscriptions, if this app proves successful.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

esotericimpl wrote: post #8

Yet you will still void the warranty if you dive with it: Apple Watch Ultra has a water resistance rating of 100 meters under ISO standard 22810. Apple Watch Ultra may be used for recreational scuba diving (with a compatible third-party app from the App Store) to 40 meters, and for high-speed water sports. Apple Watch Ultra should not be used for diving below 40 meters. Water resistance is not a permanent condition a…

18m limit for Open Water. 30m limit for Advanced Open Water.

Almost every recreational dive site for commercial reasons would only be taking divers down to those depths.

If you're going beyond 30m then you know what you're doing and are not going to be reckless enough to use any device which is not rated for that depth. No one is going to care about warranty if they are dead.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by ASalazarMX » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

jitl wrote: post #28

raybb wrote: post #4

> For access to decompression tracking, tissue loading, the location planner, and an unlimited logbook capacity, Oceanic+ is $9.99 (US) per month, or annually for $79.99 (US). Family Sharing is also available for $129 (US) annually, allowing access for up to five people.

I want to take a sabbatical and clone this stuff as an open source project. It’s so obnoxious that Apple advertised the watch as a dive computer, but you need to pay a third party $10/mo to use those features. I was considering sport watches in the $1200 range which make the $800 Apple Watch look like a steal, but after 5 years the total ownership cost of Apple Watch will be higher. It still seems like a fine deal on…

That would make Apple release Oceanic+ Pro, and if you do it again, Oceanic+ Pro Max.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

Kukumber wrote: post #56

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You don't need to pay the full subscription.

You just activate it when you're diving and then deactivate it when you're not.

And having done quite a bit of diving with the Apple Watch it's worth every cent.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by teddyh » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

jitl wrote: post #19

esotericimpl wrote: post #8

Yet you will still void the warranty if you dive with it: Apple Watch Ultra has a water resistance rating of 100 meters under ISO standard 22810. Apple Watch Ultra may be used for recreational scuba diving (with a compatible third-party app from the App Store) to 40 meters, and for high-speed water sports. Apple Watch Ultra should not be used for diving below 40 meters. Water resistance is not a permanent condition a…

What do you mean? It’s rated to 100m, which is quite a bit below the 40m limit for most recreational diving.

“Rated to 100m” does not mean what you think it means. It means, essentially, that it theoretically would be safe at 100m depth, assuming you lower it slowly and don’t move it about at all. IIUC, local water pressure varies significantly when you move something around underwater, which is why “100m pressure proof” does not mean “can be brought down to 100m depth”.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by birken » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

ashtonbaker wrote: post #46

lolsoftware wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slight clarification: the Apple Watch Ultra has a water resistance rating of 100m. The Oceanic+ app has a 130ft/40m limit because that's the recreational diving limit. [1]: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP879?viewlocale=en_IN&locale=e... .

Oh, cool! It looks like that's the limit of Apple's Depth app, as well, which is what I found when I searched, and assumed it was the limit of the watch. Well that's definitely better - I wonder what happens when you go under 130 feet, though. A dedicated dive computer would at least provide accurate information, rather than throwing you to the wolves because you exceeded some legal limit. Also on the plus side, some…

DC Rainmaker showed what happens to the watch when you take it past the max depth in his review [1] (using a pressure chamber).

I think your concerns are valid and merited for your very advanced level of diving, but at the same time the vast, vast, vast majority of divers aren't going anywhere near 130 feet. If I were going on a standard "simple" dive to 1: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/11/diving-with-the-apple-wa...

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #68

thinkmcfly wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have the same clout tho? I bet you can make some pretty sweet gram content with this. Edit: why the hate? Do you guys love Instagram or something?

They have the same “keep you alive” clout which is arguably much more important in diving. There are also thousands of cooler things that would bring you more views than an AWU in any typical tropical dive.

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Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by JohnBooty » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

michaelscott wrote: post #54

isitmadeofglass wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not misleading, this is Apple releasing the news and it has obviously been developed in collaboration with Apple. The term “Dive computer” is not something to be taken lightly. It’s hardware you literally depend on to keep you alive during a dive. The fact that Apple is supporting this externally developed app says they have a very higher level of trust in their hardware. Typically a dive computer would cost mor…

> The fact that Apple is entering the arena is quite a disruption as other brands will be forced to either compete on price or really raise the bar on innovation to justify their current levels. This is the part I don't really understand, unless this app was completely developed out-of-house. How large an arena is this really? Are there really that many potential customers who are both divers and haven't bought an Ap…

     Is there some angle from the business side I'm missing here?

It sends the message that the Apple Watch Ultra is robust enough for diving, which is pretty cool and makes it a more attractive product even if you don't dive.

We see this in all kinds of products, right? Among watch collectors, 200M diver style watches (from the Casio MDV106 all the way up to Rolex Submariners and beyond) are probably the most popular single style.

We see it in autos, with people buying vehicles with rugged capabilities they don't need. Or in shoes, with people buying athletic shoes for activities they don't partake in. A laptop with more CPU and RAM than they probably need. Etc.

From a purely logical standpoint this is silly, of course. And for some kinds of products like autos this level of excess is deeply wasteful.

However, I think what people are really buying is peace of mind and we all engage in this to some extent! It's simply nice to have a bit of gear so robust you don't have to worry about it!

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by dymk » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

jitl wrote: post #28

raybb wrote: post #4

> For access to decompression tracking, tissue loading, the location planner, and an unlimited logbook capacity, Oceanic+ is $9.99 (US) per month, or annually for $79.99 (US). Family Sharing is also available for $129 (US) annually, allowing access for up to five people.

I want to take a sabbatical and clone this stuff as an open source project. It’s so obnoxious that Apple advertised the watch as a dive computer, but you need to pay a third party $10/mo to use those features. I was considering sport watches in the $1200 range which make the $800 Apple Watch look like a steal, but after 5 years the total ownership cost of Apple Watch will be higher. It still seems like a fine deal on…

I only dive a couple months out of the year. This seems like a steal for me.