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Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by mullingitover »

phpisthebest wrote: post #60
reb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What mainstream political views are you seeing cast as alt-right by the chronically online?

Traditional family values (not christian) but traditional nuclear family, traditional job / working to provide for a family, traditional parenting, etc. Anyone that does not have the term "CIS" in their vocabulary is called "alt-right" online

I've never heard of these things as being 'alt-right.' If, anything the ability to have a 'traditional' family with a single wage earner and a full-time homemaker mother is simply an overt mark of privilege (because who else can afford to raise a family on a single income in this century?), not a mark of being right-wing.

If you're saying that other, non-traditional family structures are something degenerate, yes, you're alt-right, but I think if you're doing that you already embrace that label.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by mjmsmith »

ravar wrote: post #61
kalkin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has interacted frequently and positively on Twitter in the last few weeks with alt-right figures like Ian Miles Cheong and Andy Ngo, e.g. agreeing that the slogan "hands up, don't shoot" is somehow a "lie", and retweeted a weird homophobic conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi almost immediately after completing the acquisition. I don't think there was good (public) reason to believe these were his politics a year…

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This is Ian Miles Cheong: https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/how-a-right...

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by davidmurdoch »

chris_wot wrote: post #50
davidmurdoch wrote: post #23

The way people carefully curate their own little filter bubbles on purpose is insane to me. As an adult, why would you never want to be exposed to viewpoints that differ from your own? That's not healthy. Edit: I'm mostly referring to those that also regularly publish their opinions assuming for others to read them.

Because there are many abusive people. If you could exclude only trolls and abusers easily on Twitter then I’d think you’d have less curation going on. But there isn’t so to protect themselves, people curate. It’s either that or leave that platform. I did this with Facebook and never got involved with Twitter. My life is great. I get plenty of opinions I don’t agree with on HN, and it’s great.

The unhealthy part is people who curate an echo chamber and then live in it.

Of course, the even healthier thing is probably being more like you and just not getting involved with Twitter at all.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by pacomerh »

phpisthebest wrote: post #25
branon wrote: post #15

Nice. I've always been a firm believer that you haven't _really_ left a platform unless you first make a blog post loudly proclaiming that you're _definitely leaving_ but this guy takes it a few steps further by: - keeping his account active, poised to return immediately (but still, definitely leaving) - maybe posting on Twitter occasionally to point people to ongoing resources (but still, definitely leaving) - highl…

I am increasingly shocked that how mainstream traditional mainstreet political views are now viewed as "alt-right" online by the perpetual online class If Elon is alt-right then 85% of the US population is "alt-right"

Hm, those are not traditional mainstream political views, unless of course it aligns with your own views, then it would look like they are right?. I've gone through Elon's replies on Twitter and he is purposely trying to make the left mad, it's pretty obvious. Does he want to stir the pot for engagement? increase traffic? maybe, who knows, but whatever it is, he's picking up meaningless fights that side with alt-right views which by the way love the hate-speech and the whole conspiracy theory thing. So yeah, recently Twitter is (from my point of view) just more people fighting about their political views because of Elon's controversial responses.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by zrail »

phpisthebest wrote: post #57
1attice wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The man literally promoted the idea that Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked because he visits gay bars, or something. How is that not alt-right? Yet, I fear you may be correct about that 85% statistic, nevertheless.

Well I agree he needs to take some time to vett news sources as his (correct) position that more traditional news (like CNN, AP, etc) can not be trusted before tweeting out links, which he deleted shortly there after, I do not call that "promoted" but today words have no meaning so sure. This is the think impossible standard to have, and one of the reason many people like Elon is the fact he has no filter, and gives…

Would you like to guess some other historical figures that were populists?

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by dorkwood »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #23

The way people carefully curate their own little filter bubbles on purpose is insane to me. As an adult, why would you never want to be exposed to viewpoints that differ from your own? That's not healthy. Edit: I'm mostly referring to those that also regularly publish their opinions assuming for others to read them.

I suppose it depends on what your end goal is. For example, I've disabled news notifications on my phone. I used to get pinged multiple times per day to be told that either someone had died in an accident, or was raped and murdered, or some other such thing. One might argue that I'm sticking my head in the sand and 'living in a bubble' by turning these off. But while I think it's beneficial to expose myself to ideas and events outside of my comfort zone, I'd argue that it's better for my health and well-being if I exercise some control over what goes into my eyeballs each day.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by pacomerh »

branon wrote: post #15

Nice. I've always been a firm believer that you haven't _really_ left a platform unless you first make a blog post loudly proclaiming that you're _definitely leaving_ but this guy takes it a few steps further by: - keeping his account active, poised to return immediately (but still, definitely leaving) - maybe posting on Twitter occasionally to point people to ongoing resources (but still, definitely leaving) - highl…

You don't believe Elon's alt-right, but most of his replies side with alt-right...

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by Pxtl »

sheeshkebab wrote: post #36

Maybe it’s holidays but I noticed my twitter feed getting filled up lately with various far right types posting crap. I guess these idiots were always there but somehow they were drawn out by saner content that I care about, not anymore it seems. I’ll probably delete twitter too if that’s the way it will continue on after another a couple of weeks.

Basically the "free speech" Elon liberated was transphobia. Which, considering that his trans daughter no longer speaks to him and changed her last name away from Musk, and Grimes left him for a trans woman, and he's publicly posted anti-trans tweets, means he might have an axe to grind against the trans community.

This has led to a lot of progressive twitter either exiting the site or switching to full-time culture war stuff, while the identity-conservatives are basically doing donuts in celebration.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by chronotis »

I don't personally know the OP, but his profile isn't that of a passing crypto fanboy hustling to attract a followers list. I'd wager that he probably doesn't care much if some pro-Elon HN folks don't agree with his views on capitalism or proper vs. improper ways to migrate a follower base between platforms.

He's contributed to the software industry longer than most people here. That's not to say that anyone is owed anything in deference or respect, but "he's seen some shit." It's hypocritical to applaud what you believe to be pro-free-speech changes at Twitter while criticizing somebody for the manner in which somebody communicates their decision to deprioritize that platform.

If somebody has 50k followers, I imagine they would have reasons to communicate to that audience why they're not going to be as visible on their current platform and how to go about finding their content in the future.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Post by davidmurdoch »

dorkwood wrote: post #76
davidmurdoch wrote: post #23

The way people carefully curate their own little filter bubbles on purpose is insane to me. As an adult, why would you never want to be exposed to viewpoints that differ from your own? That's not healthy. Edit: I'm mostly referring to those that also regularly publish their opinions assuming for others to read them.

I suppose it depends on what your end goal is. For example, I've disabled news notifications on my phone. I used to get pinged multiple times per day to be told that either someone had died in an accident, or was raped and murdered, or some other such thing. One might argue that I'm sticking my head in the sand and 'living in a bubble' by turning these off. But while I think it's beneficial to expose myself to ideas…

I'm only referring to those who build these complete echo chambers on social media. For relatively mentally stable adults it's good to know about and consider dissenting opinions, especially so if you publish your own opinions, like the author. I completely agree that a bit of head-in-the-sand can be quite good for mental health and happiness.
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