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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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I wish we had a portable email address format, like phone numbers are, instead of being inherently tied to a provider.

This. There should be anti-monopoly regulation that would state that e-mail addresses belong to users, just like the phone numbers or domain names.

I own my domain and therefore my email address will belong to me as long as I can pay the property tax (ICANN) and management company (Fastmail).

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Thanks for the footnote, it’s quite confusing otherwise. :)

I just figured his dog had its own bitcoin wallet.

Yeah, everyone and their dog has crypto these days (possibly Dogecoin), but then it gets weird with the arousal.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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> Mark did not remember this video and no longer had access to it, but he said it sounded like a private moment he would have been inspired to capture, not realizing it would ever be viewed or judged by anyone else. Recontextualisation is one hell of a drug.

Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if they were asleep in the video and that’s what Google still had issue with. Perhaps not but if so, it would explain things a bit better.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

IIRC there was a follow up which was arguably worse.

Google implied that the account was suspended because of real CSAM concerns unrelated to the photos sent to the doctor/police officer (other photos in their account? they wouldn't go into details about their decision) and that the officer closing the case doesn't mean their judgement here is wrong.

If that's the case I can understand why they're obstinate about their decision (which otherwise would seem like a dumb mistake they should just reverse), but the problem is none of this happens in a place where users have any ability to get reinstated or have any sort of control over their digital life - there's no real path any individual has out of this even after going to the press. There's no due process, no way to defend yourself, no way to get them to show how they made their decision. As I understand it you have no rights beyond the ToS.

The user also losing all related account access (two factor, email, etc.) is particularly bad. This is also categorically different from Apple's approach which compared hashes of CSAM with what's in the NCMEC database which would not have caused this mistake (here Google is using computer vision to discover and flag novel images).

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

I'm not normally one to indulge conspiracy theories.

... But given the situation and high profile nature of this incident?

If that account's still locked, it's locked under sealed FBI warrant.

Google has had situations where they work hand-in-give with law enforcement to resolve something, and when they do, they're radio-silent on the situation. Sometimes for years, given the scope.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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You're going to have to start using your GCP like it's a freedom fighting session. Never used from the same public wifi. Don't use a public wifi within xDistance from your house. Only interact with GCP from a freshly spun up VM/Tails boot/etc. If no available wifi access, only use a mobile hotspot that is prepaid in cash where the burner was bought by someone else (so their shiny mugs are on the security camera), buy…

I just use Whonix in a QubesOS VM routed via Tor.

That works? I would expect Google to ban accounts just for using Tor.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Does getting your google account blocked prevent you from using GCP? There are so many stories of people losing access to google accounts that it seems way too risky to use GCP when this sort of thing can happen.

imagine what happens if you use google's domain registrar services. even if you were to run a domain name zonefile that pointed its MX at something non-google and had zero A records or CNAMEs pointing at things hosted on GCP, you'd still risk being unable to login or admin your domain.

This is why I pay extra for domains on gandi and avoid google owned TLDs. I also won't touch namecheap anymore for the same concerns just too much downside risk even if the chance is small.

It wouldn't take much for Google to turn this around, that's the really screwed up part. All the would have to do to regain trust is come out and admit their system did something wrong and provide recourse for resolution in these cases. Instead they just double down and hope people forget.

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