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Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Post by whimsicalism »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #28
habibur wrote: post #5

The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.

Let me clarify some points at the risk of sounding like a Modi supporter. Modi had gone though investigations and was acquitted by the Supreme court of India. It was definitely failure of government mechanism and officials but not state sponsored voilence. " The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed allegations of "larger conspiracy" levelled by Zakia Jafri, widow of Congress leader Ehsan Jafri who was killed in the 2002…

> Let me clarify some points at the risk of sounding like a Modi supporter.

Just to clarify on you not being a Modi supporter: Do you feel that Modi is doing not enough or too much to combat terrorists/internal threats in India?

My suspicion is that you are to the right of Modi but intentionally trying to obscure that by saying that you aren't a Modi supporter, which would typically imply to the left of Modi. A brief perusal of your comments seems to suggest that is the case.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Post by lotsofpulp »

dvt wrote: post #64
lotsofpulp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imagine if that didn't exist? Biden visits Qatar and gets arrested for dis-respecting their leaders? I can see that all working out. I do not have a problem with that. If you want to be part of the civilized world, you have to act civilized. And if Qatar wants to arrest Biden for disrespect, then either Qatar’s leaders will find out what the US spends its military funds on, or US taxpayers will find out how much of…

This is a bad take, as it would make diplomacy a very precarious proposition (whereas its entire purpose is to be weak & non-committal). Diplomatic immunity is nothing new and in fact MBS doesn't even assert conduct-based immunity (he's using the even broader "head of state immunity").

Even if one side is using it to commit egregious criminal acts in the others’ country?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46676200

I do not see how the people of the USA benefit from this arrangement.

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Post by conviencefee999 »

habibur wrote: post #5

The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.

We award nobel peace prizes to warlords and people who commit genocide along with other acts against humanity. What an age we live in when awards are not given post humorously and cannot be revoked.

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Post by that_guy_iain »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #55
maccard wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your only way out is to be the head of your state. Or a diplomat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

> On 20 October 2022 she pleaded guilty to causing the death of Harry Dunn by careless driving. Sentencing will take place at a later date. Am I missing something?

She hasn't returned to the UK for the trial. It'll be a question of if she gets extradited or not. The US state department has said extraditing her would be highly inappropriate and an abuse.

Realistically, the US aren't sending her back. And considering she works/worked for the CIA, it's not exactly surprising.

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Post by stefan_ »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #55
maccard wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your only way out is to be the head of your state. Or a diplomat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

> On 20 October 2022 she pleaded guilty to causing the death of Harry Dunn by careless driving. Sentencing will take place at a later date. Am I missing something?

Yes, the fact that shes being harbored by the US.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Post by LegitShady »

lazide wrote: post #19
cmh89 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. We just don't nationalize it. We give it away to foreign owned oil corporations who then gouge us at the pump.

The US is (and has been for a long time), an exporter of refined petroleum products such as Gasoline. In 2021, it also happened to be a net exporter or petroleum overall, but usually it bounces around. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc... Saudi Arabia is key in keeping global energy prices lower by increasing global supply, and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impa…

>and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices.

they were until democrats spent their last two presidencies trying to fund and justify the nuclear research of SA's biggest regional rival who is already funding catspaw wars against SA - Iran.

Then when you ask them to lower the price of oil they wonder why you've spent multiple years working against them while coming now to beg for their kindness.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Post by cmeacham98 »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #75
cmeacham98 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On 20 October 2022 she pleaded guilty to causing the death of Harry Dunn by careless driving. Sentencing will take place at a later date. Am I missing something?

She hasn't returned to the UK for the trial. It'll be a question of if she gets extradited or not. The US state department has said extraditing her would be highly inappropriate and an abuse. Realistically, the US aren't sending her back. And considering she works/worked for the CIA, it's not exactly surprising.

If I'm reading the Wikipedia article correctly, she got approval from the judge in the UK to attend the trial virtually. She has been requested to attend the sentencing in person, but that hasn't happened yet.

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Post by eropple »

vfclists wrote: post #60
ethotool wrote: post #26

This is disturbing. Outside of this, I actually deleted the Twitter App from my phone a few weeks ago when I found out they still own a huge part of Twitter. https://twitter.com/alwaleed_talal/status/158597522656711065...

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