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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by ubercow13 »

lucideer wrote: post #52
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

Another hard disagree here. My daily driver personal laptop is a macbook, it's the best machine I've ever owned & my next laptop will most likely be a macbook. My work machine is also a macbook. But they are not intuitive nor highly "usable". After many years going through various osx/macOS transitions, it's an OS with objectively bad ux in many ways. That's not to say it's bad software. Apart from the hardware of my…

>Multiple windows within one app is badly supported. Finder window closing behaves different to everything - alt-tabbing to it rarely brings anything to the fore.

How so? Finder seems to behave the same way as other multi-window apps, if you cmd-tab to it and a window is open, it will appear, and if there isn't the app will focus and you can press cmd-t to open a new window. This is consistent and in line with how macos deals with apps vs windows/documents in every app.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

easygenes wrote: post #47
KaiserPro wrote: post #31

> KDE beats macOS hands down "If you've been using KDE for years and are new to OSX." should be appended to the headline. I'm not going to defend OSX here. It is as obtuse as any other GUI system. My dad was always a KDE fan, I suspect because he had CDE/CDE like GUIs for a long time, and muscle memory is hard to overcome. I never really liked it, however for the longest time it did have more features and polish than…

I have to say that WSL is an absolute nightmare. I just cannot stand it. Not only that, but Microsoft has deeply embedded Hyper-V into Windows, to the point that you can't run another hypervisor. I tried to get away from WSL by using VMware Workstation and found that Hyper-V was still under the hood and bogging down the system. All the documents I could find, including recent official ones from Microsoft, on removing…

WSL was a nightmare for me too. Hacks piled on top of other hacks, required to make Linux CLI work on Windows but it's just that, a hacky way to use Linux.

Sometimes the system broke, sometimes the filesystem limitations and the performance was always bad, especially with anything involving a large number of files. It was just an awful experience all around. I think anybody who uses WSL over real Linux is only doing it because they either do not want to learn something better & different or they have hardware issues with Linux.

So glad I moved to a real installation after wasting a whole month on WSL. Couldn't be any happier.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by bodge5000 »

Early this year, I finally made the switch from using primarily using Windows to using Linux. I went with Fedora after hearing good things about its reliability, but was bracing for a bit of a clunky front-end. Needless to say, I was shocked by how far it'd come and how nice it was. The key point I remember feeling at the time is that it felt like MacOS despite not having used a Mac in over a decade.

Fast-forward to a month or so ago, I finally decide to get a mac to try it out, and the really strange thing about it was, Fedora felt more like MacOS than MacOS (or at least, it felt more like my vision of what MacOS would be). I do really like my Mac and I'm still using it for now at least, not saying either one is categorically better than the other, but that has stuck with me.

I should probably try out KDE now as well, it looks a bit more windows-like but could be interesting

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by easygenes »

irusensei wrote: post #53
yibers wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouls you care to elaborate a bit as to why you would care if the OS you are running os Windows?

Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it. Dark patterns everywhere during the setup and in order to create a local account you must do weird stuff like inserting invalid Microsoft.com accountname or disconnecting the computer from the network during setup. Are you sure you…

I agree, but will add that you can avoid most of the consumer-focused adware junk by just installing Windows Server 2022. E.G., it is compulsory that the first account is a local account named "Administrator". Overall, it is a very minimal default install, with the focus being on reducing the attack surface.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by andrekandre »

jemmyw wrote: post #70
sirn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I have no idea what you mean, but you can drag lots of stuff in windows to different places and stuff happens. On macOS, there's a concept called "Proxy Icons". These are little icons that are shown in a title bar of a document-based applications (e.g. "[ICON] My File.txt"). You can interact with these icons as if they are an actual file on the disk. For example, you have "My File.txt" open in TextEdit, and you want…

And yet they redesigned preview and hid the damn icon. You can still get the drag thing sometimes, but every time I struggle to find what to drag... is it the title text or just next to it? Sometimes it doesn't work with anything, did I forget where to drag from or does it not work from this file? Who knows, it's very frustrating.

and to think, they caused all this problems just to make mac app window titles look more similar to ipad apps...

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by weoijeiwj »

lucideer wrote: post #52
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

Another hard disagree here. My daily driver personal laptop is a macbook, it's the best machine I've ever owned & my next laptop will most likely be a macbook. My work machine is also a macbook. But they are not intuitive nor highly "usable". After many years going through various osx/macOS transitions, it's an OS with objectively bad ux in many ways. That's not to say it's bad software. Apart from the hardware of my…

"Everything works" :D

Yeah, try to use an external non-Apple mouse with your macbook - your mouse will scroll in the opposite direction - changing it in setting will reverse the direction of your touchpad. Additional buttons will also not work.

or try to connect an android phone to your macbook via USB-C. You will not be able to access the file system to copy files or do anything else.

Printing doesn't work, unless you use Airprint... which will require you do disconnect from internet...

Half of Apple devices use USB-C and half of them - obsolete Lightning cable...

Many people have issues with Airpods connecting to the closed macbook.

and I don't even talk about Docker working 20x times slower than on windows and 100x slower than on Linux.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#77

Post by irusensei »

easygenes wrote: post #74
irusensei wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it. Dark patterns everywhere during the setup and in order to create a local account you must do weird stuff like inserting invalid Microsoft.com accountname or disconnecting the computer from the network during setup. Are you sure you…

I agree, but will add that you can avoid most of the consumer-focused adware junk by just installing Windows Server 2022. E.G., it is compulsory that the first account is a local account named "Administrator". Overall, it is a very minimal default install, with the focus being on reducing the attack surface.

According to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/pricing a license costs 500 dollars. Linux is free as in beer and MacOS is a free complementary feature if you have the proper hardware.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by IshKebab »

I mean, sure some of those things are crap in MacOS. Some he is mistaken about or are super niche. He does have some valid points but you can't take a few annoyances and say "KDE beats macOS". I could easily find the same number of annoyances in KDE. Probably many more. He's just made peace with them.

> Impossible to create a dotfile from Finder (only terminal)

Yeah most people don't need this ever. If you're making dotfiles you know what the terminal is.

> Lack of native clipboard

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. It obviously has a clipboard.

> Finder's weird shortcuts for rename vs open file (no way to open a file with keyboard?)

Cmd-Down I think, but I agree the shortcuts are super weird.

> Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. There is a global shortcut to save directly to keyboard, but it requires 3 button presses. With KDE you can setup the preferred behavior and always copy to clipboard while at the same time saving to a specific path (and not always Desktop!)

Mac's screenshot support is really good. Yes it requires 3 modifier keys but I still miss it on Windows.

> Surprising lack of apps in the store (Firefox, Bitwarden, Zoom, Teams, VLC are all quite popular, yet only Bitwarden is there). The others require download from the website (basically a Windows-like experience)

True but try installing an app that isn't in "the store" (which one again?) on Linux. There are pros and cons.

> Finder: no side by side view for easily moving stuff between unrelated folders/paths

You can open multiple windows.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by easygenes »

irusensei wrote: post #77
easygenes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but will add that you can avoid most of the consumer-focused adware junk by just installing Windows Server 2022. E.G., it is compulsory that the first account is a local account named "Administrator". Overall, it is a very minimal default install, with the focus being on reducing the attack surface.

According to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/pricing a license costs 500 dollars. Linux is free as in beer and MacOS is a free complementary feature if you have the proper hardware.

Yeah, if cost is a matter, then Linux always wins. Just saying if you really need Windows, there's an option that's not adware still. It is also the same as the consumer editions in that the only limitation if you don't activate is the watermark and inability to customize the desktop.
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