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The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by tapland »

WA wrote: post #23
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

I swapped to us_intl as well full time a few years back (Swedish)

right alt + q = ä

right alt + w = å

right alt + s = ß

right alt + y = ü

It took a day or two to get a hang of it but it's such a relief not being constrained by everything being developed for US layouts

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by poulpy123 »

WA wrote: post #7
9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

Every small indie game ever: action buttons are x and z. Guess what, y and z are swapped on a German keyboard.

I would say it's more a problem of the underlying système (game engine or os) that should manage the compatibility between keyboard layout

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by kayodelycaon »

WA wrote: post #23
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Not OP, but I have a Mac and use the "ABC - Extended" keyboard, which has a full set of diacritics. You type them by using the option (⌥) key and a letter to set the diacritics and then type the letter.

    ⌥u  e = ë

    ⌥w  e = ė
For example, the key sequence required to type Kayodé is:

    ⇧k  a  y  o  d  ⌥e  e
etc.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by rodelrod »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #53
rodelrod wrote: post #44

This space before the colon and other marks in French should actually be a narrow non-breaking space (U+202F) [0]. There's no key for it in the AZERTY layout. This has been a problem since the typewriter age. People having to get on with their jobs coped with it by using a full, breaking em-space. Unless this gets replaced automatically by the word processor, you get horrid typography and misplaced line breaks all ov…

This sounds like it's not actually true? If it was, the French code page 646 that we used until Unicode finally won would have included a narrow space, but it doesn't. "Regular" computer text in French has only ever used a normal space, even if handwriting and/or "true" typesetting using typesetting solutions like TeX or PageMaker etc. allowed for a narrow space.

This is mostly correct, but I don't see how it contradicts my statement.

Did the 646 standard account for variable-width characters at all?

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by dieulot »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #53
rodelrod wrote: post #44

This space before the colon and other marks in French should actually be a narrow non-breaking space (U+202F) [0]. There's no key for it in the AZERTY layout. This has been a problem since the typewriter age. People having to get on with their jobs coped with it by using a full, breaking em-space. Unless this gets replaced automatically by the word processor, you get horrid typography and misplaced line breaks all ov…

This sounds like it's not actually true? If it was, the French code page 646 that we used until Unicode finally won would have included a narrow space, but it doesn't. "Regular" computer text in French has only ever used a normal space, even if handwriting and/or "true" typesetting using typesetting solutions like TeX or PageMaker etc. allowed for a narrow space.

This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_1010 There’s no space for it nor for many other more useful characters (like â).

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by rodelrod »

pcdavid wrote: post #70
TheRealPomax wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like it's not actually true? If it was, the French code page 646 that we used until Unicode finally won would have included a narrow space, but it doesn't. "Regular" computer text in French has only ever used a normal space, even if handwriting and/or "true" typesetting using typesetting solutions like TeX or PageMaker etc. allowed for a narrow space.

FWIW, LibreOffice automatically inserts an actual Unicode NO-BREAK SPACE when I type ":" at the end of a word (if the language is set for French of course). If I insert an actual SPACE and then hit ":", it even replaces the SPACE with a NO-BREAK SPACE. I'd be surprised MS Word doesn't do the same. No need for a "true" typesetting solution.

I think the point of the GP is that it inserts NO-BREAK SPACE instead of a NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE. If that's the case, it's a bug.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by klodolph »

Aardwolf wrote: post #3

Personally I like auto suggestions like this, but I never want it to interrupt typing, so it should never grab input when you press typing-related keyboard keys, including the enter key, space and arrow keys which you need to move the cursor around. I do not want to have to close boxes that appear at arbitrary times with the esc key to continue regular typing, since the box interrupts flow and there is a reaction tim…

Yes, at some point I reconfigured autocomplete in to only complete when you press . I almost never press otherwise when I’m typing something.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by hadrien01 »

Aissen wrote: post #42

Typographic nerd: technically, you should you use a non-breaking space (espace insécable) before colons in french. Doing that does not show the popup. Wait, what do you mean your keyboard layout does not have it? Keyboard layout nerd: you should use a keymap that has it. Like AFNOR's latest AZERTY or BÉPO. Historical nerd: traditionally wordprocessors have auto-inserted non-breaking spaces before colons, why should I…

Non-breaking spaces are transformed automatically when writing French by Word, LaTeX, and other text processors. Why would you want to learn the many ways of writing a spacing character, when your computer can do it for you?

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by happyopossum »

brookst wrote: post #17
Aardwolf wrote: post #3

Personally I like auto suggestions like this, but I never want it to interrupt typing, so it should never grab input when you press typing-related keyboard keys, including the enter key, space and arrow keys which you need to move the cursor around. I do not want to have to close boxes that appear at arbitrary times with the esc key to continue regular typing, since the box interrupts flow and there is a reaction tim…

I like the implementation in a bunch of IM clients, at least Teams and iMessage: emojis are treated as autocorrect, so if you type the full text version of the emoji (not just the first character!) it gets replaced with the emoji. In the rare cases it's wrong, hitting escape after the autocorrect fixes it. I don't see why the Google Docs implementation wouldn't work that way. If it really must pop up a box, allow the…

The issue is that a very common key to hit after a colon is Enter - which selects the emoji in question. If you simply keep typing other letters, you don't have a problem.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by gkoberger »

Aardwolf wrote: post #3

Personally I like auto suggestions like this, but I never want it to interrupt typing, so it should never grab input when you press typing-related keyboard keys, including the enter key, space and arrow keys which you need to move the cursor around. I do not want to have to close boxes that appear at arbitrary times with the esc key to continue regular typing, since the box interrupts flow and there is a reaction tim…

I've remapped emojis to `::` and it's been great. Barely more work than `:`, and don't have to deal with a clunky popup when I don't intend it.
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