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Indian Air Force inducts natively developed light combat helicopter ‘Prachanda’

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Re: Indian Air Force inducts natively developed light combat helicopter ‘Prachanda’

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My takeaway is that India can use this as a means to get greater internal investment - every $Xm dollars a copter costa is not sent to US firms but becomes grist to the mill for Indian metalworkers, Indian engine manufacturers etc etc.

Just keep the corruption out of the process and let the multiplier do its work.

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Oooh, do America/Iraq next

Look up Phoenix program for wild things. Not to take any Iraqi victims lightly, but Vietnam had much more atrocities.

I think you're collectively missing my point; the two parents in this thread are phenomenal example of https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/355/607/670

Related, but it's pretty eye opening to see left-leaning people being marketed and fully sold a war. I can only surmise this latest rehash of "support of troops" is about the best chance/narrative that team donkey has for the upcoming elections. Cognitive dissonance banalities(1) notwithstanding.

(1)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/25/democrats-jo...

Re: Indian Air Force inducts natively developed light combat helicopter ‘Prachanda’

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I haven't ascribed an independent perspective to india exclusively, merely pointed out india has an independent perspective. And I did not say west are arrogant morons I said "Some in the west". I agree with you and as does anybody with even a passing familiarity with international diplomacy, foreign policy by its very nature is about engaging with other countries to further a nation's self interests. The problem is…

Why ban tiktok ?

I don't see how domestic policy is relevant to a discussion about perspective of India's foreign policy alignment concerning the west. And don't mistake me for a champion of Indian government either.

I'm not a fan of the Indian government's tendency to behave like a nanny state over the past decade by arbitrary filtering/banning content on the internet. I'm not a fan of a lot of things that the Indian government does or how it goes about doing them.

As far as tiktok, there are plenty of reasons to ban it and there are plenty of reasons not to, though it seemed more reactionary than well thought out.

I don't think nuanced decision making is a strong suite of Indian government when it comes to technology especially censorship(VLC was blocked for god's sake) in direct contrast to how well it seems to be executing the India stack at scale.

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As a thai whose nation adopted lots of Pali/Sanskrit words, I have to look up the word origin https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/pracanda because I suddenly understand the meaning of "Prachan", in thai it means "confront". Indian naming always gives sci-fi kind of vibe.

>> Indian naming always gives sci-fi kind of vibe.

In an ironic twist of linguistic history, most US combat helicopters were given American "indian" names (Apache, Comanche, Black Hawk etc). I like such conventions. I wish that more nations adopted and stuck to them when introducing new equipment.

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> Only about 40 helicopters were lost to hostile fire in Iraq from 2004-2009 Russia has lost that many helicopters in about 9 months in Ukraine, id say the effectiveness of helicopters is largely dependent on the capabilities of your opponent and whether or not you can gain air superiority.

Russia has made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with Ukraine. I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war that translate to the US or Western armies other than don't repeat Russia's mistakes. I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.

> I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war

How about the side that can out produce and outspend (or has friends that do) will come out on top. Same lesson from ww2 . The tricky bit it to stay standing till then

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Russia has made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with Ukraine. I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war that translate to the US or Western armies other than don't repeat Russia's mistakes. I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.

> I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war. Sure but (and I could be wrong here) isn't this the first time that modern Russia helicopters has gone up against modern MANPADS in a near peer type of conflict?. Id say it shows at least the effectiveness of different MANPADS against specific countermeasures no?.

I think there will be statistics for the performance of Russian helicopters against western MANPADS from Afghanistan during the 80s. I'm not expecting that the MANPADS will have got worse since then.

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Russia has made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with Ukraine. I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war that translate to the US or Western armies other than don't repeat Russia's mistakes. I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.

> I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war How about the side that can out produce and outspend (or has friends that do) will come out on top. Same lesson from ww2 . The tricky bit it to stay standing till then

Same lesson that every RTS or 4x game has ever taught me! Just need to have the generals play more command and conquer.

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India could benefit greatly from restricting the emmigration of her top talented people. Right now the smartest Indians work abroad. The increasingly anti-west foreign policy might be early indications of steps towards that.

India is not anti west. The west has this binary/absolute way of looking at things, "either somebody is with them or against them". India recognises the world is a much more complicated place and sees the world through its own perspective rather than whatever self serving agenda driven perspective the west deems as the only valid one. India has a long track record of being a non-aligned power. If anything india has b…

india basically wants everyone to know that it wants to goto bed with everyone a little at a time rather than be a wife or a paramour.

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India is not anti west. The west has this binary/absolute way of looking at things, "either somebody is with them or against them". India recognises the world is a much more complicated place and sees the world through its own perspective rather than whatever self serving agenda driven perspective the west deems as the only valid one. India has a long track record of being a non-aligned power. If anything india has b…

But even that perspective that you ascribe to India is reductive. It seems in your view, India are the only ones who understand complexity, the West are just arrogant morons. In reality, everyone's equally just looking out for themselves. In the West we don't care about Kashmir, in India people don't care about Ukraine. It's the same, until one day India will discover that Russia is useless against China and the US a…

>It's the same, until one day India will discover that Russia is useless against China and the US and the West are not. And then there will be a realignment. When it happens it won't be about any fancy ideals, it'll just be interests realigning.

This binary choice of aligning and then trapping oneself into being subservient to one sides is exactly what India is trying to avoid.

Ukraine may be fending off Russians with help of the west and may even push Russia all the way back, but their families, cultural & human capital, infrastructure are all being eroded, significantly. Future generations of Ukraine will have to pay this debt.

India voluntarily making a choice which would bring it in the cross-hairs of China or the West would be a catastrophic failure of imagination.

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India is not anti west. The west has this binary/absolute way of looking at things, "either somebody is with them or against them". India recognises the world is a much more complicated place and sees the world through its own perspective rather than whatever self serving agenda driven perspective the west deems as the only valid one. India has a long track record of being a non-aligned power. If anything india has b…

india basically wants everyone to know that it wants to goto bed with everyone a little at a time rather than be a wife or a paramour.

Wow, an analogy as spectacularly useless as it is distasteful.
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