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Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Re: Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Post by scubaguy »

soc88 wrote: post #69
scubaguy wrote: post #67

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> Do you have a link? http://blog.joda.org/2011/11/scala-ejb-2-feedback.html?showC... I don't question the intent of the Scala community. There's no mystic group of evildoers there trying to degrade newcomers. But the mailing list is very intimidating. It doesn't feel like a place where newbies can come in and ask "How do I do a 'foreach' loop?".

While it takes a while to understand how he approaches problems and solves them, his offer is honest and his judgment is correct. He basically says that if the blog author actually had a look at the language before bashing it, he would have found valid issues. I agree with that. The author's complaints are unsubstantiated and don't reflect the issues people encounter in reality.

It's exactly what you asked for, an example of "You are wrong. You haven't learned it properly." You are also saying this kind of response (You haven't learned it properly) is appropriate. This attitude is what turns people away.

You can be honest, correct and still turn people off.

Re: Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Post by wiradikusuma »

ww520 wrote: post #45
TylerE wrote: post #8

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It's Groovy still, like, slower than Ruby? That was always the big attraction with Scala - all the fun stuff, but less than a 5% performance penalty over vanilla java.

Groovy still seems slow. I used it as the template language for webapps and it was slow. I switched to Japid and rendering was lightning fast.

Just being curious, how's it compared to JSP or StringTemplate?

Re: Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Post by brazzy »

sp332 wrote: post #40
brazzy wrote: post #7

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A lot of people spent a lot of time talking about Lisp machines, 4GL, web portals, push technologies... the list goes on.

4GL like SQL? Push technologies like SMS, IM, and websockets? You could use better examples :)

I think I got the number wrong; 5GL was the "generation" that really fizzled. As for "push technologies", that is of course a much too broad term. I was thinking specifically of PointCast, which I believe brought the technical term into the business-hype limelight.

Re: Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Post by justwrote »

soc88 wrote: post #55
nadam wrote: post #3

My general feeling is that there is a business-model problem in the tech industry. The most important technolgies are underfunded. They are created by smart people in their free time, or by companies who do not have enough money. For example I've looked at Scala's Eclipse plugin: it was a horror. It is just question of money (hiring a bunch of good developers) to create IDE support which is not totally buggy and not…

I pretty much like the Eclipse plugin. The IntelliJ one is still better, but the Eclipse one definitely gets its stuff done. Sounds a bit like you used an old version ...

For me, the eclipse plugin is crashing (or the whole IDE is freezing for a few seconds) too often when I try to get code completion. On the other hand, in IntelliJ the Scala plugin is pretty good! (Use the nightly builds!)

Re: Offbeat: Scala by the end of 2011 – No Drama but Frustration is Growing

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Post by ww520 »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #72
ww520 wrote: post #45

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Groovy still seems slow. I used it as the template language for webapps and it was slow. I switched to Japid and rendering was lightning fast.

Just being curious, how's it compared to JSP or StringTemplate?

Might be too late for reply.

It's better than JSP, clearer and simpler syntax, better support for componenization with shared tags, layouts, and includes.

I have no experience with StringTemplate.

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