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American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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LMAO at these journalists pretending they're so surprised to find this. As if they had no hand in creating this environment... and as if this wasn't the whole point to begin with. The upper class owns journalism and this state of affairs was very much the goal.

Interesting; I didn't think the article author was "pretending they're so surprised" about anything. Do you have any reason to think that they've expressed opposing views in the past?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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LMAO at these journalists pretending they're so surprised to find this. As if they had no hand in creating this environment... and as if this wasn't the whole point to begin with. The upper class owns journalism and this state of affairs was very much the goal.

Given our history, I would say race is far more interesting. And we need those clicks. The media is simply responding to the incentives. It’s all of our fault. If we didn’t click on it, they would stop publishing it.

I don't think that's true at all. Class and economics in America are fascinating.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Agreed. A better article title would be: "American Media is Focused On Everything But What They Should Be (And Are Paid Well For It)" This is yet another example of how many of the elites live in a bubble. Well educated, yet oh so ignorant.

We love to scapegoat the media. If you could capture the public's attention and make tons of money focusing on class, someone would do it and dominate discourse. Maybe not existing institutions, but certainly there's nothing preventing someone else from taking to the field. Indeed, there is no shortage of media that do focus on class issues, but they are invariably small & marginalized. Media will literally eat poop…

> If you could capture the public's attention and make tons of money focusing on class, someone would do it and dominate discourse

Well...Both Bobby Kennedy and MLK tried to shift the narrative and...the only thing they dominated was the graveyard.

Point made. Lesson taught. And learned.

re: Misguided focus??

Lol. You missed the point. They are lazer focused on...exactly what they're told and paid to stay focused on.

Else it's negligence and incompetence and that just doesn't make sense.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Why? Nobody wants to think their success was the result of an unfair arbitrary advantage.

And this is why the term "white privilege" sells so poorly to whites. And why CRT is attacked so vigorously. Everyone likes to think they made it on their own. The guy who inherited a multi-million dollar business thinks he has had no more real advantage than then guy who was raised in an orphanage in Uganda. While I firmly believe that this privilege exists, you just can't legislate based on it, because you'll get n…

This is an argument I have with some of my more lefty friends. There are problems that have no legislative solution. I saw this as someone who has voted blue no matter who..

Sometimes the current left wing of the Dems work at cross purposes to themselves. On the one hand we need to legislate laws for everything, and on the other hand enforcing laws is discriminatory & abusive and whats a little broken windows here & there, you have to crack some eggs to make an omelette!!

My favorite example is all the gun control rhetoric in NYC while at the same time the Manhattan DA announced he was not going to seek jail terms for non-violent illegal gun possession charges. "LOL nothing matters" is how it feels.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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furthermore they focused on race specifically because dividing Americans on class never failed repeatedly.

It's because class in America has always been fluid, with people going from poor to rich or middle class, and from rich to poor, based on their life decisions, and seizing opportunities. Perhaps the current events have strangled these opportunities for enough people so class can now be used to divide the population against itself?

Has that actually ever been a reliable truth, or are people finally waking up to the fact that it never really was?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Wealthy black people are worse off than poor white people? Do you have any references for that? I can't imagine anyone would rather be starving and white than rich and black.

I don't think that's true. But the data does show that if you control for most factors, race still plays a factor. That is, it's better to be poor and white than poor and black. That said, I'd rather be a black billionaire than dirt poor and white.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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There's a (conspiracy) theory out there which describes this as intentional. If society is focused on race, it will continue being divided, which is more-or-less going to ensure that peasants won't unite and/or revolt.

You can see this across companies at a lower level (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/amazon-lab... and https://archive.ph/1khJw). Discussions about race will suck all the air out of the proverbial room, will sow division and create resentment. Regardless of political color, people will always have a tiny bit of resentment when it comes to stuff like affirmative action. So instead of being mad at their boss, they're going to be mad at their colleague (who's completely innocent in this) and slowly but surely start accepting right-wing narratives as truth. Holy crap, even more division, right? Nice.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Geography and parental income would be good proxies.

Unfortunately, parental income can be a terrible proxy. High income doesn't necessarily indicate wealth or high class. It usually indicates highly educated, high level working class, like doctors and software engineers. Families with generational wealth often have very little direct income. All wealth is in assets that they borrow against, which doesn't count as income. Even when they take income or realize capital g…

I grew up with kids of wealthy families that were able to get student aid based on their parents' incomes, which were low to non-existent.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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How do you determine the class of student being admitted?

not a great indicator, but good enough proxy for class: family income.

class is, of course, not about income. class is about your position in the productive system and ownership. very rich people might have NO income at all.

but let's say that for most, family income is a good enough proxy.

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And this is why the term "white privilege" sells so poorly to whites. And why CRT is attacked so vigorously. Everyone likes to think they made it on their own. The guy who inherited a multi-million dollar business thinks he has had no more real advantage than then guy who was raised in an orphanage in Uganda. While I firmly believe that this privilege exists, you just can't legislate based on it, because you'll get n…

There's white privilege in Pensiltucky? Elon Musk knows he wouldn't have made it big without family connections, but the white guy from Western Pennsylvania knows that he was up against a whole lot and made it anyway, against all odds. That's why "white privilege" sells so poorly.

Right, and I think generally the high status whites who profess it about whites actually don't mean themselves. They mean all those low status whites who have wrongthink.

Ironically many of them live in liberal, multi-cultural cities filled with rich people who are much more high status than vast swathes of inland rural white people.

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