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Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by moolcool »

amelius wrote: post #63
captainmuon wrote: post #7

I wonder why they don't just charge more for the dyes (or the dye licenses, I think they are not making them themselves). I think it is bizarre that you should need a license to write down in a file "use this-and-that tube of color for printing this shape". If anything, they should be paying Adobe for including their colors. Maybe this is a possible evolution? Third party ink producers create photoshop add-ins allowi…

I think their businessmodel simply expired. They have to think of something new or end up like Kodak.

Pantone is still a massively relevant company, and that has no signs of changing

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by [deleted] »

TkTech wrote: post #21
dchia wrote: post #15

Can someone tell me what value does Pantone bring to the table? As a man-on-the-street I fail to understand what they are claiming for. Is this about the naming Pantone has given to a particular Hex Code?

My understanding is that the entire suite of colors is calibrated by material, among other things. #aabbcc on the screen does not look like #aabbcc when painted onto wood, or from plastic injection moulding. But Pantone Color #32 will be absolutely identical everywhere.

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Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by Hamuko »

pxx wrote: post #64
masklinn wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...which is also what you get by using an RGB / CMYK approximation and then telling the manufacturer which kind of paint should be used for that layer. That’s not going to work, because the natures of the different surface will make a given RGB/CMYK perceptually differ. Think display calibration, except a lot worse. The point of the Pantone system is that they’ve done the legwork to get perceptual matchings across…

It seems like people are misunderstanding the approach here. Let's say I want to print something in Pantone 123 (careful, Fluke might go after me!) I send over a design artifact that uses the color #ffc72b. Now, when it comes time for printing, the printer can't print RGB, but I also specify the mapping "#ffc72b is actually Pantone 123". The printer _uses Pantone 123_. We don't suffer any loss of color fidelity. We o…

>It seems like people are misunderstanding the approach here.

Considering the part that quotes the original post is missing the whole "Pantone colour" bit, I feel like the post was edited afterwards.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by noirscape »

moolcool wrote: post #70
noirscape wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no file corruption, Adobe simply updated it's UI to not provide a rendering color to Pantones colors anymore so they default to black. If you were to have another program that can open PSDs and provide rendering colors for Pantones colors, it'd work just fine. They're cutting a feature (one Adobe had been neglecting for over a decade), not corrupting any files. For the people who weren't supposed to be using…

I'm sorry, but this is a very obtuse way to look at this problem. "Oh, the data is still there. You just don't have any way to read it". Like that's fantastic if you're a massive pedant, but if you actually want to use your files using with tools you used to create them, it's functionally identical to the file being corrupted. Doubly so if the application is some cloud bullshit that you can't keep old/functional vers…

Data corruption usually refers to actual data loss. The "data is still there but you just can't view it" isn't corruption, it just means your tools aren't up to the task.

You can still download older versions of Adobes apps, it's right there in the ARS article even (Creative Cloud lets you download older versions of PS, InDesign and the like), so your second argument about cloud bullshit doesn't go up there either.

As for the "not supposed to use" part; digital artists were never meant to use Pantone Spot colors to begin with. They're very specifically intended for graphic designers who are planning to have their works printed on different designs. That is what their colors are for.

I don't think Adobe handled (or communicated) this well at all, but this is de facto not data corruption.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Hamuko wrote: post #73
pxx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like people are misunderstanding the approach here. Let's say I want to print something in Pantone 123 (careful, Fluke might go after me!) I send over a design artifact that uses the color #ffc72b. Now, when it comes time for printing, the printer can't print RGB, but I also specify the mapping "#ffc72b is actually Pantone 123". The printer _uses Pantone 123_. We don't suffer any loss of color fidelity. We o…

> It seems like people are misunderstanding the approach here. Considering the part that quotes the original post is missing the whole "Pantone colour" bit, I feel like the post was edited afterwards.

I added the part in brackets afterwards to prevent further misunderstanding, but it doesn't change the meaning of the post, which was just to move the actual color definition out-of-band.

I have a terrible tendency to hit the send button too soon and then update the post multiple times with typo fixes and clarifications...

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by pessimizer »

ksec wrote: post #17

The title should really be Pantone wants $15/month for the privilege of using its colors in Creative Cloud or Photoshop Subscription. >To hear Pantone tell it, Adobe had not been updating the Pantone color libraries in its apps for more than a decade, which prompted the end of the previous licensing deal and the wholesale removal of the old libraries from Adobe's apps in favor of the Pantone Connect Extension. It sou…

And whatever part of the Creative Cloud customers' money was previously being passed on to Pantone is now being pocketed by Adobe, and they're probably also grabbing a piece of that $15. Pantone is totally willing to be the PR bad guy here, nobody is moving from Pantone. It's an absurdly deeply entrenched and useful standard.

The people that don't understand what's so special about Pantone are really irrelevant because they don't understand print and were never really customers. Of the people that do get it, I think 99.9% would prefer an open color standard (or openesque, because what Pantone does is not easy and has to generate income), but understand how insane a political/physical undertaking that would be to avoid paying $15 a month for products that they're already overpaying for.

I'd rather ditch Adobe than ditch Pantone.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by moolcool »

iMerNibor wrote: post #24
iMerNibor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I recall, its about phyiscal to virtual color matching, so pantone offers samples of say plastic with the exact matching color as the virtual ones, so you can pick a color, tell the manufacturer you want the plastic molded that color and be pretty sure you'll get the right color of product (or if not you can go back to them and tell them to do it according to spec). You'd also want to calibrate your monitor…

Of course at that point you're already bought into the ecosystem with physical samples (which are not cheap), monitor calibration and all, so it feels like a "double dip" for no value added

I would argue that a multi-sided marketplace isn't always a double dip. If I want a Pantone 628 C coffee mug from China, I can order it and know exactly what colour I'm getting. It saves designers tons of money and time with avoided back-and-forth in the prototyping process.

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by Hamuko »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #75
Hamuko wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems like people are misunderstanding the approach here. Considering the part that quotes the original post is missing the whole "Pantone colour" bit, I feel like the post was edited afterwards.

I added the part in brackets afterwards to prevent further misunderstanding, but it doesn't change the meaning of the post, which was just to move the actual color definition out-of-band. I have a terrible tendency to hit the send button too soon and then update the post multiple times with typo fixes and clarifications...

It changes the meaning massively. The original was just "pick a CMYK colour and then tell them what kind of paint you want it printed with", the latter is "pick a CMYK colour and then tell them what it actually need to look like".

Re: Adobe no longer licenses Pantone colors to be used freely Photoshop

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Post by pessimizer »

matt3210 wrote: post #59

You mean using its color Names. They don’t own the hex values

There are any number of ways to turn Pantone names into hex values. The names are what's important, because they are placeholders for specific formulations of ink.
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