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The TARP money was just a payday loan until QE1, QE2, and now QE3 can take effect. Of course the banks paid the money back, they got the money from the discount window for free, which was printed by the gov't printing T-bills. Why stay on TARP when you can borrow money for free and pay TARP back? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt Look at the debt expansion which is necessary to directly funnel th…
Except the folks at ZeroHedge are nutters, while Randall Munroe used to work at NASA.
Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups
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#72Fixing the immigration and patent systems would be infinitely more helpful (i.e. stop getting in the way).
Congress has to do that, the executive branch can't. To the extent that the executive branch is streamlining the existing immigration system, they're being derided as amnesty-offering traitors by the xenophobic know-nothings that want Berlin Wall 2.0.
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Where do you get the "$1 trillion for banks" number? The xkcd "money" diagram has a good illustration of this: http://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-10540&y=-4650&z=6 $700 billion was made available. "Only" $400 billion of this was actually spent. It was used to buy so-called toxic assets. Many of those assets were later converted back into cash: half of the $400 billion has already been repaid. Based on the value of the rema…
The TARP money was just a payday loan until QE1, QE2, and now QE3 can take effect. Of course the banks paid the money back, they got the money from the discount window for free, which was printed by the gov't printing T-bills. Why stay on TARP when you can borrow money for free and pay TARP back? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt Look at the debt expansion which is necessary to directly funnel th…
When the Fed lent money to the banks via the discount window, they did that to shore up the capital bases of the various financial institutions. The Treasury never paid for it....matter of fact, the argument can be made that if inflation runs away like doomsayers have been predicting since QE1, the Treasury will benefit - because inflation is simply a tax on the poor.
But, inflation has been subdued, despite constant harranging from doomsayers, and growth has been tepid. The Fed took on over $2T onto it's balance sheet because it is the only organization in the world that can. It wasn't up from $500M, it was up from $500B. You were off by only a factor of 1,000. So it only swelled 4X....considering that the price of not doing that would have been a great depression that made the depression of the 40s look like a mild recession, I would say it's worth every penny.
Also, the reason public debt has expanded is because of the borrowing the government has had to do to finance things like increased unemployment insurance, increased medicare/medicaid claims and tax cuts for everybody.
Also, because interest rates have been at all-time lows...i.e. most investors still see US Treasuries as the safest asset around (comparatively speaking).
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The bailout was a mess, but I feel there's some truth to what Kissenger wrote a while back: basically, a leader will never be given credit for choosing between two evils (a possible crisis, or a poorly-executed bailout) because you will never be able to prove with certainty how bad the other option would have been. We have no way to truly know what things would be like without the bailout, and we really ought to thin…
Yeah, one is an accounting trick that penalizes everyone who saved money and the other has a serious chance of working. If startups were important they could have just cancelled the V-22 Osprey program which eats $2.8 billion per year, or ballistic missile defense at $9.9 billion, or DHS at $60 billion. $1 billion dollars over three years is probably less money than the gov't spends on toilet cleaning. It's equivalen…
I think you're both right and wrong that it's a PR campaign. It can be both. Something positive, and something done for political benefit. The context is that it's very hard to get a bill passed in Congress right now unless both parties support it, and the Republicans have repeatedly blocked efforts to do things that help middle/working class folks, or help the the most serious environmental problems, etc. unless there's also kickback to the richest Americans and their favored industries (oil, military, etc.), or at least doesn't have anything that drops tax cuts or closes loopholes for them. They've opposed extended unemployment checks, for example. They've brought the nation to the very brink of default on it's debts, on an issue which historically is a routine ceremony of raising the "ceiling". That brinkmanship alone scares people, raises fiscal and market uncertainty and has a negative effect on spending -- this is beyond obvious to economists, a no-brainer. They opposed extending payroll tax cuts which disproportionately help middle/lower income class folks, and that most economists will tell you have a positive economic stimulus effect. Trying to pass anything in Congress gets turned into a political point scoring match, regardless of the actual objective merit or wisdom of it's benefits. In that context, it's much easier for a President to figure out which things they can do, just within the power of the Executive branch, to do something positive, however far from ideal it might be.
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fix student loans I put myself through school on a student loan. I was very grateful for it. I was charged a reasonable tax deductible interest rate. So I'm curious about what is actually broken?
Massive inflation in tuition in the last 20-30 years.
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#77Throwing $2B at startups isn't going to create a new generation of entrepreneurs. 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. 2. Fix student loans. One could argue don't go to college but I think we can agree there's some value to good schools. 3. Educ…
On #2, Obama has had a pretty big impact. A) The democrats pushed through Student Loan reform alongside the healthcare bill last year. "The new law will eliminate fees paid to private banks to act as intermediaries in providing loans to college students and use much of the nearly $68 billion in savings over 11 years to expand Pell Grants and make it easier for students to repay outstanding loans after graduating." ht…
Explain to me why this is a good thing for entrepreneurship. It seems to leave students free to party for a few years and rack up loans for degrees of dubious market value.
And leave the taxpayer (read: responsible students and entrepreneurs) with the bill.
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> Let a thousand Solyndras bloom! lots of alt energy companies? you bet. risky? of course. will some fail? always. do people make mistakes? yes. would you prefer instead that a thousand new Wall Street firms bloom? a thousand new oil companies? And Solyndra's cost to taxpayers, and impact on debt, is a tiny tiny drop in the bucket compare to what's been spent on Iraq and Afghanistan, or the Bush tax cuts for the rich…
I would rather the govt fund the research being done by the phds to develop the technology, then let them start their own companies. The US (especially the valley) has no shortage of funding for startups.
making it easier for highly-skilled, rule-following foreigners (cough-Mexico-cough) to immigrate in and start at or work at US based startups, would be an easy win. And fixing the patent system. And defending the Internet from attack by big corporate interests. All would move the needle more than just making a little more money available for yet another shallow frothy "me too" web startup.
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The bailout was a mess, but I feel there's some truth to what Kissenger wrote a while back: basically, a leader will never be given credit for choosing between two evils (a possible crisis, or a poorly-executed bailout) because you will never be able to prove with certainty how bad the other option would have been. We have no way to truly know what things would be like without the bailout, and we really ought to thin…
Some clarity and contact with reality: "The bailout was a mess" The efforts of big gumment to get people who couldn't afford a house into one that blew a housing bubble that popped and created the worst financial and economic disaster since the Great Depression "was a mess". The 'bailout', that is, the TARP program was not "a mess" at all but a grand success: (1) TARP made money. All or nearly all the money has been…
It's infuriating because people don't understand when the gov't actually acts in their best interest - even if it doesn't seem like that.
As you so rightly pointed out, without TARP and the actions of the Fed, we would probably be in WW3 right now. People just don't get that.
Btw, this is partisan politics aside - because both Geithner and Paulson did a fabulous job at handling the worst crisis their generations have ever seen.
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Congress has to do that, the executive branch can't. To the extent that the executive branch is streamlining the existing immigration system, they're being derided as amnesty-offering traitors by the xenophobic know-nothings that want Berlin Wall 2.0.
You might want to reconsider broadly slurring a bunch of your fellow citizens as "know-nothings" while writing a comment seemingly ignorant of the fact that the Berlin Wall was designed mostly to keep people in .