Later, I went to the Vasa museum. It struck me how recently that was a state of the art war machine.
Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found
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#72When I told a coworker I was visiting Stockholm for the first time a few years back, we had the following conversation: Him: “You gonna go see the boat museum?” Me: “The what?” Him: “The boat museum. It’s a museum with a boat in it.” Me: “…just one boat?” Him: “Trust me. Go see the boat.” He was right. One of the coolest museums I’ve ever visited in my life.
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Aside from Vasa, the museums I'd recommend in Stockholm are: The Royal Amory ( https://livrustkammaren.se/en/home/ ) A lot of old items from royalty and nobility. If you ever wanted to see how armor was deemed bullet-proof they have some dented chestplates that shows it off. Swedish Army Museum ( https://armemuseum.se/en/start/ ) Army history from the 1500s and through the Cold War. Old collections of weapons, explan…
The Abba museum is also a lot of fun. Yes, that Abba from the 70s.
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That's not quite what the museum page says: "Vasa lay in the grimy waters in Stockholm for 333 years. After all these years in the water the ship was attacked by bacteria and rust.Vasa was slowly decomposing, and is still doing so today, due to a number of different factors. The museum is conducting world-leading research on how to counteract these decomposition processes. And considering the age, we must say that Va…
Maybe the science on this has changed? The display I saw when I visited in 2016 says they attribute significantly accelerated deterioration to the choice to spray the vessel with PEG. Some discussion on this at https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2012/... . But I'd certainly believe them if they've changed their estimates.
Anyway, I think they're saying now that the biggest problem is that the old iron is reacting badly somehow, and they're thinking about - very carefully - replacing all the nails.
But the whole thing is very much a work in progress when it comes to conservation, no-one has done anything like this at this scale ever.
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#75When I told a coworker I was visiting Stockholm for the first time a few years back, we had the following conversation: Him: “You gonna go see the boat museum?” Me: “The what?” Him: “The boat museum. It’s a museum with a boat in it.” Me: “…just one boat?” Him: “Trust me. Go see the boat.” He was right. One of the coolest museums I’ve ever visited in my life.
My wife and I visited it once when we spent a weekend trip sightseeing in Stockholm. It was one of the best museums I've been to.
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#76I'm lowkey waiting to hear about Applet's other sister-ship, JDK ...implausible? Really? Ha! You can't tell me you've never thought about what you'd name things if you were warped into the past and worked as a Swedish shipwright. Like, it's just too tempting to troll 21st-century conspiracists with anachronistic ship names, of course it would be a thing you'd do. Call this the 'anthwarpic principle' (no I don't care)…
In German, "Ä" is the umlaut of "A", and it's not quite a letter of the German alphabet, but also not quite a regular A.
In Swedish, "Ä" is a unique letter of the alphabet which makes the "applet" jokes completely nonsensical. If the ship had been named "Epplet", would you have made an applet joke? You're only making the connection because you literally can't see the ¨.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aside from Vasa, the museums I'd recommend in Stockholm are: The Royal Amory ( https://livrustkammaren.se/en/home/ ) A lot of old items from royalty and nobility. If you ever wanted to see how armor was deemed bullet-proof they have some dented chestplates that shows it off. Swedish Army Museum ( https://armemuseum.se/en/start/ ) Army history from the 1500s and through the Cold War. Old collections of weapons, explan…
The Abba museum is also a lot of fun. Yes, that Abba from the 70s.
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#78I'm lowkey waiting to hear about Applet's other sister-ship, JDK ...implausible? Really? Ha! You can't tell me you've never thought about what you'd name things if you were warped into the past and worked as a Swedish shipwright. Like, it's just too tempting to troll 21st-century conspiracists with anachronistic ship names, of course it would be a thing you'd do. Call this the 'anthwarpic principle' (no I don't care)…
In English, "Ä" is an "A" with a diaresis modifier: ¨, and is treated as an A for all purposes. In German, "Ä" is the umlaut of "A", and it's not quite a letter of the German alphabet, but also not quite a regular A. In Swedish, "Ä" is a unique letter of the alphabet which makes the "applet" jokes completely nonsensical. If the ship had been named "Epplet", would you have made an applet joke? You're only making the c…
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#79When I told a coworker I was visiting Stockholm for the first time a few years back, we had the following conversation: Him: “You gonna go see the boat museum?” Me: “The what?” Him: “The boat museum. It’s a museum with a boat in it.” Me: “…just one boat?” Him: “Trust me. Go see the boat.” He was right. One of the coolest museums I’ve ever visited in my life.
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it annoys me a lot, but I don't blame it on the people posting, but on the people who put a one way trap door in the code on the site that's on top of my annoyance with the huge number of people who didn't understand what was good about original html markup and set about adding pixel counts and thinking they needed to know the screen size etc. It's the same people who don't understand unix.
Seriously, why can't the same page just be responsive? Why do we need two different domains even, instead of the server serving a desktop or mobile page? Why does the mobile page not redirect back to desktop? So many odd choices.