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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by aerovistae »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

I mean the Gmail refresh was awful, and remained awful for many years until a new refresh a couple months ago that VASTLY improved it. I love it now.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by deaddodo »

lars_francke wrote: post #62
faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

Switch branches? Let's index it all again! Working on a Rust project? Let's index the Go stdlib. It'll be ready in 10-20 min, please hold. I've been waiting for indexing improvemence for over 10 years, not holding my breath.

I use Clion for C/C++ and Rust (with the rust plugin) and indexing seems fine. PHP, Python, Ruby and Go have been generally miserable for me.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by jsyolo »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

I don't know, why bother with such a slow bloated thing when it can't even get some basic stuff right that you just expect to work? https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/WEB-57184/wrong-warning...

Found that while searching for the same problem

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by rob74 »

smilekzs wrote: post #12
xwowsersx wrote: post #7

JetBrains also published a separate post addressing the concerns about the new UI https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-u...

I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

Yes you are being cynical - what they write is:

> The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI.

this sounds like you have to actively switch to the new UI if you already have an older version installed, and that they will be monitoring how many users have made the switch. Only after the "vast majority" (>80% ?) have switched will they "shove it down the throat" of the other 20%. Well, let's see how this promise will hold up...

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by fredrikholm »

fareesh wrote: post #26

I find the entire "java world" as I like to think of it, littered with slow IDEs. The "Electron bloat world" editors have been much more snappy in my experience. Typically the "java world" editors will lag out to the point where tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion. Also they seem to rely on "indexing" and while the "indexing" operating is taking place, the entire editor just slows to a comple…

I have a similar experience.

Sublime is the only non-ancient editor I've used that is actually snappy, I can't perceive any lag. It feels like native software used to feel, yet looks half decent.

Vscode is slower, with both input and general UI lag. It helps to turn off hardware acceleration, but only a little. Luckily, you get used to it. Unless you go back to Sublime/Vim/Nano for a while, you stop noticing it.

Then there's the "you should be using"-ones...

* Visual Studio. Syntax highlighting takes a second or two when opening "large" files, input latency is bad, sometimes it takes longer to save a file than it does to compile your project, which now runs without your changes.

* XCode. Syntax highlighting works on Tuesdays, input latency is horrible. Randomly need to restart when certain features just stop working.

* Android Studio. Input and UI latency, needed 5 out of my then 8 gigabytes of RAM to load an empty project, had to close most other programs when working on a medium sized app, including my browser (Slack, Email, Teams etc).

* Goland. I've tried using this on both Windows and Linux, but I've never gotten anything to compile consistently. Indexing takes minutes, CPU usage randomly spikes, memory consumption constantly climbs... it just seems to eat resources doing nothing.

Sublime is the only (non-Vim/Emacs) editor I've used that takes my time, room/lap temperature and ergonomics seriously.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by JodieBenitez »

keyle wrote: post #18

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…

> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better

What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ?

Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by steve_taylor »

cercatrova wrote: post #11

Maybe I don't understand the praise but the JetBrains UI is one of the most clunky UIs I've ever used for coding. I'm honestly glad to see something more VSCode-like in Fleet.

I agree. The only reason I find VS Code somewhat interesting is that the UI is a lot smoother. But if this is going to be a new look on top of the same old molasses that is Swing, then I don’t see the point.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by jamesbfb »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

> how slow indexing is and how disruptive it is when you do a clean re-install and it indexes all your dependencies again.

Or if your Linux laptop doesn’t actually go to sleep (and goes flat) and PyCharm needs to index _again_ on start!

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