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Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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That sort of thing needs to be democratically decided. Currently it isn’t, most countries have a few rich people dominating media and politics. Most poverty isn’t energy poverty at all, it’s a lack of control over the means of production in general. Energy is merely one aspect. Some energy usage is clearly frivolous, like several ton cars with single occupants or vastly oversized armies. Alternatives that achieve the…

What you're describing is a dramatic reduction in human freedom. Right now I have the freedom to use as much energy as I can afford and people like you don't get any say in how I use it. Why not focus on generating more energy efficiently than imposing controls on other people? This seems like more about having control over other people than an actual concern for the environment or energy usage. Would you vote to ban…

When lower energy alternatives are better and widespread, people use them. Why should we not strive for efficiency as a society?

I at no point argued for banning something, just offering better alternatives.

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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Good math. Another way to ballpark this - the airport tank holds 500 liters of spirulina. Algae extract around 0.5kg co2 per 1000 liters ( https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/sustainability/sustainabil... ). So this tank removes around 0.25kg of co2 per day. By comparison, an average human exhales 1kg co2 per day. So you need four of those tanks to offset a single passenger passing by. This does virtually nothing for t…

I would assume the electricity used to power the pumps and lights ends up emitting substantially more than 250g of CO2 per day as well.

If only there was a large parcel of land nearby to an airport terminal where a renewable power source could be installed. Hmm, where could we find a large piece of relatively flat land with little to no trees to shade the sunlight? Hell, you could even cover the remote parking areas bringing extra value by providing covered parking and still leave the majority of that flat, cleared, open space unadulterated.

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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Good math. Another way to ballpark this - the airport tank holds 500 liters of spirulina. Algae extract around 0.5kg co2 per 1000 liters ( https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/sustainability/sustainabil... ). So this tank removes around 0.25kg of co2 per day. By comparison, an average human exhales 1kg co2 per day. So you need four of those tanks to offset a single passenger passing by. This does virtually nothing for t…

> By comparison, an average human exhales 1kg co2 per day. So you need four of those tanks to offset a single passenger passing by. Passing by takes less then 24 hours.

Someone must have missed the news stories of airlines preferring to cancel flights leaving travelers stranded in airports for extended periods of time.

Seems like 24 hours in an airport is becoming routine /s

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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For actual sunlight, where only 45% of the light is in the photosynthetically active wavelength range, the theoretical maximum efficiency of solar energy conversion is approximately 11%. In actuality, however, plants do not absorb all incoming sunlight (due to reflection, respiration requirements of photosynthesis and the need for optimal solar radiation levels) and do not convert all harvested energy into biomass, w…

Thanks! Lots of room for engineered improvement!

Of the plants?

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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I haven’t been to the US, but it can’t be all that special. Plenty of countries have high speed trains instead of most domestic air travel, even similarly sized ones like China. Especially if you count the time to get to the airport and through security, high speed trains are highly competitive or even better than planes in total travel time.

The problem, as always, isn't size but density. Outside the east coast there is very little density. It's almost unfathomable having grown up in Europe how big and empty even large areas at the west coast are. This gets especially obvious when you get away from the central freeway that goes up the coast. Where I've visited our lived in Europe or Asia these areas would still be largely inhabited and have smaller towns…

There are very sparse areas of China too, yet there are high speed trains between major cities across regions. Then there are additional slower lines with more stops from major cities to other nearby localities.

US coast-to-coast trains wouldn't need stops to be viable. They'd just need to initially be subsidised significantly, much like the current fossil-dominated industries are.

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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This seems like a potentially nice thing for a home office or bedroom. Does anyone have any experience with their home version? https://algenair.com/

I use it in my office. Don't really notice a difference. I should get a CO2 reader and test it out.

I really like the idea, but it does seem like a hard thing to be sure of. I suppose a secondary question is: does it look nice? :)

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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I use it in my office. Don't really notice a difference. I should get a CO2 reader and test it out.

I really like the idea, but it does seem like a hard thing to be sure of. I suppose a secondary question is: does it look nice? :)

I liked the idea until I realized it wasn't self sustaining and needs a monthly subscription to replace the algae =(

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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> The best way to fix the CO2 problem is stop producing it, not to try to clean it up. I'd have to disagree. Stopping the production is important, but that doesn't solve the problem, it just doesn't make it worse. A true fix would always include removing some CO2 from the atmosphere, however that may be done.

I dont think trees do that unless you bury them once they are full grown. Normal tree life cycle is capture some co2, die, rot and release it all back into the air.

Trees turn CO2 into building materials and paper and fuel. The first two sequester it, and the third doesn't make things worse.

Re: Pittsburgh Airport installs an algae air purifier

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This is super interesting! Sounds from the article like the main point is to remove CO2 from the air to improve air for humans. That's already really exciting. In essence it's a CO2 scrubber right? So how does this compare to devices built with the goal to remove CO2 with the goal to reduce climate change? Edit: To answer my own question, this probably does little. They have a home use version that supposedly removes…

The irony is strong in this one: Not building airports would definitely improve the situation as a whole.

Sort of. While increasing global CO2 levels makes it worse, indoor CO2 levels is mostly a function of buildings being made more and more efficient/air-tight. I live in a new LEED-platinum condo building, and in the fall or spring if I don't may my A/C unit on, my bedroom CO2 levels will go from ~500ppm to 1,300 or higher. You can see the drastic drop in CO2 levels when I wake up and open the door to get air flow.

actual chart of my room: https://imgur.com/a/zZRNQGX

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