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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

> We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect. I too have many gripples with copyright but this is simply wrong. Copyright is designed to protect the rightsholder . Whether it is a person or a company is irrelevant. This isn't a conspiracy or cynical-type explanation,…

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #18

To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Nintendo also isn't a big fan of people playing Super Smash Bros competitively. They're allowed to have their opinions but I don't see why anyone needs to respect such silly opinions.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

I think it’s pretty obvious most people using Switch emulators are getting the games on the net for free. So it’s awkward to show that on promotional material of another handheld device.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #18

To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

makes sense

I've seen a lot of formerly xbox and playstation exclusive titles start popping up on Steam... so you wouldn't need an emulator for those...

No other way to get Mario on Steam yet though ;)

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #18

To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Nintendo also isn't a big fan of people playing Super Smash Bros competitively. They're allowed to have their opinions but I don't see why anyone needs to respect such silly opinions.

There’s a difference between a random consumer respecting their opinions and businesses working in the same industry not trying to put them in a weird position.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

Because it ruins their relationship with Nintendo.

What relationship with Nintendo? Nintendo has no games listed on Steam, and the only Valve game on any Nintendo platform is the recent Portal port.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #18

To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Nintendo has no relationship with Valve or really PC gaming as a whole at all. They are pretty much as hostile as it gets towards any platform that isn't their own, to the point that a planned collaboration with Fortnite fell through because they were simply not willing to allow any of their characters to be visible on other platforms.

Valve isn't burning any bridges here because there were no bridges to begin with.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

I think it’s pretty obvious most people using Switch emulators are getting the games on the net for free. So it’s awkward to show that on promotional material of another handheld device.

Tbh Nintendo does make it particularly hard to pay and emulate. To legally emulate switch games you have to buy and then dump them, but if you hack your switch to dump them, you get banned from the estore so you can no longer buy them.

Personally I'd be happy to pay money and get access to the game ROMs to run on an emulator because I find it more convenient to play them in an emulator than to switch a bunch of cables to put the switch on my monitor.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #49

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Can you play the same game on two devices from the same steam account without hiding offline?

Steam's presence API only supports one playing device at a time. It wouldn't be able to understand multiple active playing games on one account.

So it claims, but many games let you click X on that dialog and play other games. I have an old laptop which is basically a dedicated Civ 6 machine. I can still play any other steam game on my desktop while the laptop has Civ open.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Because Valve wouldn't want you to emulate Steam games as well (which people do, for online stuff). Valve and Nintendo are on the same side of this.

I'm confused. Please define "emulate Steam games".

Given how Proton works, one could even make the argument that the SteamDeck's primary function is to emulate steam games.
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