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How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by educaysean »

logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

I'm of the opposite opinion. AI assisted art is simply the natural next chapter for "art" as a whole. It will finally kickstart the public discourse about what being an artist means in the perspective of artistic vision vs execution.

Most artists spend their lives not refining their brush stroke, but rather their eyes. The way I see it, the impact of curation and artistic direction will matter more and more in the future.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by LeoPanthera »

soulofmischief wrote: post #57
logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. The next generation will normalize these tools and find incredible ways to be creative within their new cutting edge medium. The post-art world is here! Just think about how history books will remember this period! The styles that will be borne of necessity, of the need to break down art and find what makes it tick.

> People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software.

Did they? Because I don't think they did. I think most people were amazed by all these technologies.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by dopidopHN »

jhbadger wrote: post #25

What frustrates me about Stable Diffusion is there doesn't seem to be any documentation as to what artists or vocabulary it understands. Generally people say "look at existing prompts or use various prompt generators" but that doesn't really solve the problem. I don't want to just look at what other people have randomly discovered; I want to know what the program really knows.

Honest question, would a solid understanding of the open training data help?

Having the art vocabulary down as well.

In effect, knowing what is present and how it’s tagged so you can « invoke » it more readily in the prompt-result.

Maybe I’m out of my depth. I know the corpus of tagged image used for training is enormous … but I still think that would help the user ( a prompt-crafter )

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by layer8 »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #44
alexmolas wrote: post #40

Nice experiment! I would only change two things: (1) sort the artists in alphabetical order, and (2) allow users to write the name of the artist and show if it's in the list. I'm saying that because it's a little bit tedious to search for the artist you're looking for. A part from that, I find the idea super-interesting :)

They are in alphabetical order, but by last name. Took me a while to see that though.

Only up to a point, it consists of at least three concatenated separately sorted lists (the first one being the largest by far).

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by kchod »

logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

I would look at it as more of "allowing normal people access to unbefore-dreamed-of levels of draftsmanship" vs some comment on capital-A Art. It allows non-artists to express themselves visually.

I'm biased: I've been working on an image generation app. But the beta users I've had so far will generate fifty or a hundred images in a day. That isn't a use case traditional artists support.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by derac »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #73
soulofmischief wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. The next generation will normalize these tools and find incredible ways to be creative within their new cutting edge medium. The post-art world is here! Just think about how history books will remember this period! The styles that will be borne of necessity, of the need to break down art and find what makes it tick.

> People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. Did they? Because I don't think they did. I think most people were amazed by all these technologies.

https://daily.jstor.org/when-photography-was-not-art/

Research beats idle speculation.

Google "photography skeptics early history"

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by p1esk »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #73
soulofmischief wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. The next generation will normalize these tools and find incredible ways to be creative within their new cutting edge medium. The post-art world is here! Just think about how history books will remember this period! The styles that will be borne of necessity, of the need to break down art and find what makes it tick.

> People said this about cameras. About digital cameras. About digital photo editing software. Did they? Because I don't think they did. I think most people were amazed by all these technologies.

Most people haven't heard about recent advancements in image generation. When they do, I expect they will be amazed.

Re: How a Stable Diffusion prompt changes its output for the style of 1500 artists

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Post by pizza »

logisticpeach wrote: post #49

Hate to say it but when i see stuff like this it only reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain. Can't help feeling that this accidentally harms creative types and risks swamping us with visual junk. The technical achievment is astounding but no-one would seriously claim that crafting an image via a short prompt is creative except in the most cursory way. I'm proba…

> reminds me of what we could have achieved if this ingenuity had been applied in another domain

It will; I think the reason we're seeing diffusion models applied to image generation first, is that it's a task that meshes well with the models. But also in general I think people will still be guided by the principle "use the right tool for the job" - this is just another tool. I doubt that the set of paths toward realization for any given needed creative imagery collapses to just "use a model"

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