NHS should be aggressively acquiring data science talent.
Unfortunately current gov doesn't give a shit about anything other than next week (science funding being cut to boost growth somehow)
Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
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Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.
No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…
> The NHS needs to stand up for itself and politicians need to start talking about 20y plans.
If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private.
British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were less stupid, their country situation wouldn’t be so bad.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#73Bloomberg used to be better. This is basically a non-story. The 'secret plan' was to use the nefarious mechanism of... Buying access that was for sale. All the allusions to shadyhandedness are just there to justify the existence of a story about Palantir because the author knew a story about a controversial company would propagate better even if it was devoid of anything meaningful to say.
Horsesh!t, greeney ... Palantir are controversial for a reason. And so I want to know everything single thing about them even tangentially touching the NHS so I know how to fight against it.
But thanks for your input.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…
> The NHS needs to stand up for itself and politicians need to start talking about 20y plans. If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private. British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were l…
> If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private.
> British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were less stupid, their country situation wouldn’t be so bad.
I've yet to see, in decades of Tory rule, much but decline, neglect, and scandal. Tax cuts and service cuts. That's all everyone needs apparently. Unfortunately, labor seems so incompetent at gaining power that it seems almost like a "managed opposition." Maybe I'm being too generous to their electorate as well. The UK is a tourism attraction at this point, a historical relic found in a curio shop or flea market. Or soon will be at its current clip.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#75Bloomberg used to be better. This is basically a non-story. The 'secret plan' was to use the nefarious mechanism of... Buying access that was for sale. All the allusions to shadyhandedness are just there to justify the existence of a story about Palantir because the author knew a story about a controversial company would propagate better even if it was devoid of anything meaningful to say.
It is the subject: NHS, Peter Thiel, CIA, Silicon Valley, privatization...the media coverage on this sort of stuff in the UK is deranged. Palantir is just offering a "shiny dashboard", we should build your own...it is that easy, just knock up a Palantir competitor in a weekend (the NHS has decent tech units, but core NHS is like this...they hire £20k "devs", ask why they are getting hacked all the time, nothing works…
Seriously ... take your drip-drop, Palantir normalisation and shove it up your orifice.
I would then be able recommend a decent NHS doctor who can look at that for you, free at the point of use, on my dime.
Very best,
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
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The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.
Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is so disingenuous. The whole point is that in a publicly funded health system many people disagree with this access being available in the first place. The UK government tries to paint a picture whereby giving such access will allow a raft of plucky UK startups to revitalize the NHS, when in reality we are just handing over our data and taxpayer money to the likes of Palantir.
publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.
You’re right, but only symbolically so.
Sweden walked this same path and is deeply deeply suffering the privatisation.
Doctors are nowhere to be seen, waiting times are absolutely impossible to work with. You basically have to beg to see a doctor and even then they will likely decline you unless you’re in pain.
It’s ridiculous. It can be directly attributed to the privatisation of the underlying services.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.
Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"
Affordability is a standard. Ease of access to all demographics, rather than just rich people, is a standard.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…
> The NHS needs to stand up for itself and politicians need to start talking about 20y plans. If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private. British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were l…
Socialized medicine was always going to be unaffordable in the long term. If it wasn't a burden, then the 'cost cutting' measures probably wouldn't have been implemented.
Having the government in charge of something means it's always going to be inefficient.
Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The NHS needs to stand up for itself and politicians need to start talking about 20y plans. If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private. British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were l…
Socialized medicine was always going to be unaffordable in the long term. If it wasn't a burden, then the 'cost cutting' measures probably wouldn't have been implemented. Having the government in charge of something means it's always going to be inefficient.
> Socialized medicine was always going to be unaffordable in the long term.
Why? Sorry but that’s horse shit.
There is nothing preventing socialised medicine for working. It costs less per capita nowadays than it did when it was put in place and productivity skyrocketed since.
The economic arguments were always the very privileged hiding their greed and contempt for the rest of us behind a fine veneer. I truly believe some of them even came to believe it to help themselves sleep at night. It doesn’t mean we all have to drink it.